Vive La France!

[Notch7]

I said childbirth doesn't cause poverty

Yes you said it…..but it’s completely wrong

Notch is aiming at the wrong target

I have the evidence to prove I’m right

Where’s your evidence?

 

[Notch7]

Women are inflicting it upon themselves.
They aren't forced to have an abortion.
Stop talking shyte.
Women having babies doesn't cause poverty.
Millions of women have babies and lead normal lives.
Times are changing.
America seems to be coming to its senses.
Abortion will be outlawed in every state.
Britain will eventually follow suit.

Poor. Into, getting angry and just spraying nonsense

 

[Vinty]

Yes it absolutely does

Scenario 1
Girl age 16 has sex with some boy she’s seen a few times, abortion illegal, she has baby. She is intelligent and was doing well at school but misses out on good education and a career. She and her baby grow up in poverty

Scenario 2
Girl age 16 has sex with some boy she’s seen a few times, abortion legal so she gets termination.
The girl continues in school, goes to University, starts a career as a lawyer. She meets her husband and has a baby at 33, financially stable, in a stable relationship, child grows up in a nice house.


You want to deny the chance of scenario 2…..because “reasons”

She could also put her child up for adoption.
Lots of childless couples out there.
Then again you think death is preferable to adoption.

 

[denso13]

Then again you think death is preferable to adoption.

You prefer the death of the mother.

A fallopian tube can't cause a miscarriage, it has to be removed or left in place. There is no natural way for it to be "removed" by the body. So let the pregnancy develop until the mother dies?

 

[Vinty]

The girl continues in school, goes to University, starts a career as a lawyer

How many council house girls become lawyers.
Most of them end up working part time in lidls or Home Bargains or having more kids.
Nothing wrong with the above.
Britian needs more babies.

 

[Vinty]

You prefer the death of the mother

Are you trolling.
Pregnancy isn't a disease.
If the pregnancy isn't viable, then there are procedures to deal with that problem.

 

[securespark]

Religion has a heck of a lot to answer for.

 

[Odds]

A simple definition of consciousness is sensory awareness of the body, the self, and the world. The fetus may be aware of the body, for example by perceiving pain. It reacts to touch, smell, and sound, and shows facial expressions responding to external stimuli. However, these reactions are probably preprogrammed and have a subcortical nonconscious origin. Furthermore, the fetus is almost continuously asleep and unconscious partially due to endogenous sedation.

Thalamic afferents to the cortex develop from approximately 12-16 wk of gestation, reach the cortical subplate, but “wait” until they grow into the cortical plate. At this stage, only long depolarization of the deep layers may reach the cortex. After 24 wk, thalamocortical axons grow into the somatosensory, auditory, visual, and frontal cortices and the pathways mediating pain perception become functional around the 29-30 wk. From approximately 34 wk, a synchrony of the EEG rhythm of the two hemispheres becomes detectable at the same time as long-range callosal connections, and thus the GNW circuits, are established. From the 26th wk, pyramidal neurons in the primary visual cortex of humans develop dendritic spines.

nature.com

Since the foetus is still entirely dependent upon the mother than i'd still say it's her right to choose.

 

[noseall]

I said childbirth doesn't cause poverty.
Queen Victoria had loads of kids.

Queen Victoria? The Monarch that reigned over the Empire and possibly the richest woman on the planet??

No shít.

My missus would not have coped financially had she been left to bring up the sprogs on her own. She'd have likely been pushed into poverty - yes.

 

[noseall]

Then again you think death is preferable to adoption.

Abortion - always.

A woman should never be forced to seek a back street abortion or travel to another country - no.

A woman should not be forced to have a child she does not want - no.

A woman should not be forced to bring a rapists' child into the world - no.

A woman should not be forced into bringing a severely disabled (unable to survive) child into the world - no.

Her body - her choice. Not some religious fruitcake or gammon RWR politician - no.

 

[noseall]

Yes lives will be saved.

Nonsense.

 

[motorbiking]

Not in the UK

So that’s a lie

They have been made available via telephone consultation. That is how a woman got abortion drugs when 34 weeks gone. She was jailed.

 

[Odds]

Britian needs more babies.

You don't think overpopulation is becoming a problem?

 

[motorbiking]

You have answered your own question.
If a foetus can’t survive, then it will die.
An abortion won't be necessary.

The problem is, it will kill the mother.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Her body - her choice. Not some religious fruitcake or gammon RWR politician - no.

this exactly.

Every counter argument on here is the sound of right wing men forcing their opinions, without any regards to the individual facts, in the individual cases, onto women.