Climate Change

[aveatry]

Thats a lie.

Here are YOUR words saying exactly what Denso said

Er no not exactly as denso said
Densos version

or some paid off scientist arguing that the current global warming rate is unprecedentedly fast or severe

And what I actually said

gov basically pay climate scientist to come up with man made hypophysis and then the gov use that to generate extra tax.

So not exactly the same at all - and denso was tying to say it was my words when I was quoting the YouTube that I gave a link for - go and watch it and find out - what are you scared of learning in your refusal to watch it. And before you bang on about peer review - the youtube link is talking about the peer reviewed scientific study of the ice core - with names if you want to follow them up.

 

[Notch7]

So not exactly the same at all

It has exactly the same meaning.

when I was quoting the YouTube that

That’s a lie

They are your words, you didn’t put them in quote marks

I accept that a VERY very very very very very very very small amount could be man made yes. But whole man made bit is played on and exaggerated to tax us more gov basically pay climate scientist to come up with man made hypophysis and then the gov use that to generate extra tax. - Don't believe me then

You post misinformation then when called out on it you deny it.

Why are you so weak you can’t even stand up and support what you believe.

 

[Mottie]

On the subject of climate change, we were in lake Garda last week and we went on a tour of the lake. Apparently it is known as a 'glacier lake' and was at one time, a glacier. Then climate change came along and melted it, forming the lake. Also, where I used to walk my dog in Thorndon country park in Essex, there are loads of pebbles. I thought it might have been under the sea many years ago. They recently cut a section away showing different layers and there is an information board explaining how the pebbles got there. They were attached to the bottom of a glacier that picked them up from the sea bed and crept forward as far as Essex. Looks like the planet has been warming up since the last ice age.

 

[MNW67]

Looks like the planet has been warming up since the last ice age.

That isn't true. For thousands of years, we had actually been in a cooling phase, which would eventually have led to the next Ice Age. Global warming has reversed that.

 

[denso13]

Er no not exactly as denso said
Densos version

And what I actually said

So not exactly the same at all - and denso was tying to say it was my words when I was quoting the YouTube that I gave a link for - go and watch it and find out - what are you scared of learning in your refusal to watch it. And before you bang on about peer review - the youtube link is talking about the peer reviewed scientific study of the ice core - with names if you want to follow them up.

So where is the scam?

 

[Notch7]

YouTube that I gave a link for - go and watch it and find out - what are you scared of learning in your refusal to watch it. And before you bang on about peer review - the youtube link is talking about the peer reviewed scientific study of the ice core - with names if you want to follow them up.

Ive already told you: the ice cores only represent temperature in that region. They do not represent global temperatures, indeed whilst they show increases in ocean temp in that region it is compensated by colder temps elsewhere



the peer reviewed study to which it refers is one from Nature.com in 1997.

if you want the best research on this look at the later study with 6 ice core sites done in 2009

Factcheck: What Greenland ice cores say about past and present climate change

A misleading graph purporting to show that past changes in Greenland’s temperatures dwarf modern climate change has been circling the internet since at least 2010.

www.carbonbrief.org

 

[Brigadier]

So where is the scam?

Surely you remember the days before "global warming", when we paid no tax?

 

[aveatry]

That isn't true. For thousands of years, we had actually been in a cooling phase, which would eventually have led to the next Ice Age. Global warming has reversed that.

So that's good thing. Remember this
Throughout mankind’s history the warmer times led to great prosperity and innovation, longer growing seasons agricultural surpluses and population growth which in turn supported cultural achievements trade expanded cities flourished and societies had the resources to invest in art philosophy and technology.
In contrast colder periods were often disastrous, shorter growing seasons failed harvests and famine, Europe was struck by the great famine of 1315 during which millions starved due to relentless cold societal unrest grew economies shrank and in many regions innovation stalled, cold harsh climates didn't just make life harder they made Civilization more fragile.

 

[denso13]

So that's good thing. Remember this
Throughout mankind’s history the warmer times led to great prosperity and innovation, longer growing seasons agricultural surpluses and population growth which in turn supported cultural achievements trade expanded cities flourished and societies had the resources to invest in art philosophy and technology.
In contrast colder periods were often disastrous, shorter growing seasons failed harvests and famine, Europe was struck by the great famine of 1315 during which millions starved due to relentless cold societal unrest grew economies shrank and in many regions innovation stalled, cold harsh climates didn't just make life harder they made Civilization more fragile.

Yes.

 

[aveatry]

Surely you remember the days before "global warming", when we paid no tax?

That's right there was no climate tax. If the gov are really serious about it they would levy zero VAT on everything to do with mitigating the climate disaster they say we face.

 

[Odds]

Yes.

I think it's a bot stuck in a feedback loop, repeating stuff it's already wrote out.
H.man will toddle along shortly to de-bug it.

 

[MNW67]

So that's good thing.

Possibly. But you can have too much of a good thing! Especially if there are positive feedback effects. That might lead to runaway warming. Or it might trigger another event like the one you mentioned 12,000 years ago where we initially saw very rapid cooling. We are messing about with things that we are nowhere near to understanding.

 

[aveatry]

They are your words, you didn’t put them in quote marks

Like I said - if you had watched the Youtube vid then you will of heard that paragraph spoken
So hows this -- but the problem is if I put it in a quote this looks like I am quoting another poster

New ice cores demonstrated convincingly in the layers the pace of climate change no longer was it a matter of many thousands of years years or even hundreds of thousands of years but the tempo was much faster than anyone had imagined recent results from two ice cores drilled in central Greenland have revealed large abrupt climate changes suggesting the climate in the north at Atlantic region is able to reorganize itself rapidly perhaps within a few decades that would seem to imply very rapid climate change these new cores show convincingly that these catastrophic events indicate the climate can sometimes fluctuate with surprising speed in particular studies of the GISP One ice Core drilled from 1979 to 1981 in Southeastern Greenland suggest that the North Atlantic region warmed by a striking 7°centigrade in half a century- that drastic warming far exceeds current warming

So sometimes I do this
"Now higher resolution records were indicating considerably less than half a century for a climate warming further studies narrowed the time frame even further James White in nature July of 1993 found the new ice cor ice core results bring rapid climate change to our doorstep changes up to 10° centigrade in a couple of decades or perhaps in less than a decade appear possible the data now revealed that the climate was able to change a full 10°Centigrade in perhaps less than a decade
the ancient warming far outpaces what the world is currently experiencing keep this fact in mind when you hear or read someone some journalist or some paid off scientist arguing that the current global warming rate is unprecedentedly fast or severe which you no doubt will if you engage in any kind of inquiry or dialogue into the subject of modern climate change"

So for future reference which one do you think best makes it clear that I am quoting from the Youtube vid I post along with it or maybe a link I post.

 

[aveatry]

Possibly. But you can have too much of a good thing! Especially if there are positive feedback effects. That might lead to runaway warming. Or it might trigger another event like the one you mentioned 12,000 years ago where we initially saw very rapid cooling. We are messing about with things that we are nowhere near to understanding.

Correct and the UK gov want to spray the skys, officially that is - unofficially its ben going on for years of course.

 

[denso13]

Correct and the UK gov want to spray the skys, officially that is

No, they didn't say that.