Migrant channel crossing deal.

[motorbiking]

Actually we don’t need to. It was Blair who enshrined it in U.K. Law via the Human Rights act. Just need to amend that - sorted

In order to build a wall we must first lay some foundations. Great says Nosenout and sets off to lay the foundations. He was confused to learn having completed his foundations a wall did not magically appear.

Poor lad he struggles to get his head round things that most find simple.

 

[noseall]

In order to build a wall we must first lay some foundations. Great says Nosenout and sets off to lay the foundations. He was confused to learn having completed his foundations a wall did not magically appear.

Lies and deflective waffle.

You are a disingenuous lying scumbag and your posts are worthless.

 

[motorbiking]

Lies and deflective waffle.

You are a disingenuous lying scumbag and your posts are worthless.

No need to be abusive. Just because you’ve been proved wrong again.

 

[noseall]

Just because you’ve been proved wrong again.

Nonsense.

We can stop them coming here, but first we must repeal all ties to the ECHR.
It is very simple.
The hard part is finding someone with the bottle, and backing to do it.

Actually we don’t need to. It was Blair who enshrined it in U.K. Law via the Human Rights act. Just need to amend that - sorted

 

[motorbiking]

Nonsense.

Actually we don’t need to. It was Blair who enshrined it in U.K. Law via the Human Rights act. Just need to amend that - sorted

We can stop them coming here, but first we must repeal all ties to the ECHR.
It is very simple.
The hard part is finding someone with the bottle, and backing to do it.

“But first”. See how clear it is.

 

[noseall]

“But first”. See how clear it is.

So how does amending the HRA stop migrants from coming here as opposed to repealing all ties to the ECHR preventing migrants coming here?

'sorted' you ended your post with? Please explain?

He cant, he won't. Expect more deflective waffle.

 

[MNW67]

“But first”. See how clear it is.

I am totally confused by the "foundations" and "but first" stuff. Is this a new argument. What does it mean.

 

[noseall]

I am totally confused by the "foundations" and "but first" stuff. Is this a new argument. What does it mean.

It means MBK is a hopeless cowardly liar.

Don't bother.

 

[motorbiking]

It means MBK is a hopeless cowardly liar.

Don't bother.

More abuse how does he get away with it.

 

[motorbiking]

I am totally confused by the "foundations" and "but first" stuff. Is this a new argument. What does it mean.

The great thing about quotes is you can click them and jump back to the thread.

Nosenout seems to be arguing that someone is claiming that changing the HRA will result in the illegals being stopped. Nobody did.

It’s his usual dishonest MO of twisting what someone said, hoping they don’t notice and then posting it 100 times claiming it’s wrong.

 

[Odds]

We can stop them coming here, but first we must repeal all ties to the ECHR.
It is very simple.
The hard part is finding someone with the bottle, and backing to do it.

The ECHR does not provide a right for people to enter or remain in a country of which they are not a national, or a right to claim asylum. The European Court of Human Rights has frequently said that it is for states to control the entry and residence of foreign nationals and that they have the power to deport foreign nationals convicted of criminal offences.

 

[MNW67]

seems to be arguing that someone is claiming that changing the HRA will result in the illegals being stopped.

I really don't think he is.

Surely what he is saying is that someone has claimed that, once amendments to the HRA have been made, it will then be possible to bring in new laws which will result in the illegals being stopped.

 

[motorbiking]

I really don't think he is.

Surely what he is saying is that someone has claimed that, once amendments to the HRA have been made, it will then be possible to bring in new laws which will result in the illegals being stopped.

That is correct. But that does not mean it is impossible without, its just a lot harder, slower and riskier. Something you don't seem to agree with.

 

[MNW67]

That is correct. But that does not mean it is impossible without, its just a lot harder, slower and riskier. Something you don't seem to agree with.

I am still waiting for you to explain. We have reached agreement that, as regards getting the Act through Parliament, it makes no difference. All it needs is a one line statement from the Minister in charge of the Bill.

So, let's take your example of a pushback Act. For the sake of simplicity, let's agree that pushback is a clear breach of ECHR. And again, for the sake of simplicity, let's agree that, in all other respects, pushback is possible and legal i.e. the only impediment to it being effective is a combination of the ECHR and the HRA

So, the Act is on the statute books. Talk me through how amending the HRA will make it easier for us to put the pushback policy into practice, whilst we are still in the ECHR.

 

[motorbiking]

I am still waiting for you to explain. We have reached agreement that, as regards getting the Act through Parliament, it makes no difference. All it needs is a one line statement from the Minister in charge of the Bill.

You've stated this is common ground - it isn't. I've provided examples e.g. Illegal Migration Act 2023, tripped up at every step.

So, let's take your example of a pushback Act. For the sake of simplicity, let's agree that pushback is a clear breach of ECHR. And again, for the sake of simplicity, let's agree that, in all other respects, pushback is possible and legal i.e. the only impediment to it being effective is a combination of the ECHR and the HRA

As the HRA currently stands the above is vastly harder and requires more care. If its not to be rewritten by the Judiciary, it will have to explicitly have a disapplication of the Human Rights Act 1998 section, e.g. Sec 3 Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Act 2024. It also creates more of an open goal for anyone bringing a claim.

So, the Act is on the statute books. Talk me through how amending the HRA will allow it easier for us to put the pushback policy into practice, whilst we are still in the ECHR.

Greece is a signatory of the ECHR, they take cases on a case by case basis. Some succeed some fail. The burden is on the claimant. Not so in the UK with the HRA creating an open goal.
I've provided cases of push back in Greece where the claimant was unable to prove their case and lost.