Climate Change

[IT Minion]

Looks like a load of hot air to me. Where do you dredge this rubbish up from?

It's a really good book, I read it when it was first published. But it is very dated now, as that was in 2008. Some of the numbers are funny in retrospect.

Back then industrial PV farms cost around £4,000 per kW capacity. Now you can get (much more expensive) roof mounted PV for around £1,000 per kW. Even if you need to build new grid connections PV farms are lower than that. And the idea we could get nuclear power at £1,300 per kW is sadly nonsense, it's more like £7,000.

It is a great introduction to the practicalities of going to a net zero society, even if the mixes proposed then don't hold up to modern economics.

 

[SPLINE]

Back then industrial PV farms cost around £4,000 per kW capacity. Now you can get (much more expensive) roof mounted PV for around £1,000 per kW. Even if you need to build new grid connections PV farms are lower than that. And the idea we could get nuclear power at £1,300 per kW is sadly nonsense, it's more like £7,000.

It is a great introduction to the practicalities of going to a net zero society, even if the mixes proposed then don't hold up to modern economics.

I suspect that somebody works in the solar panel business!

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Back then industrial PV farms cost around £4,000 per kW capacity. Now you can get (much more expensive) roof mounted PV for around £1,000 per kW. Even if you need to build new grid connections PV farms are lower than that. And the idea we could get nuclear power at £1,300 per kW is sadly nonsense, it's more like £7,000.

PV, which only works, when the sun shines. I notice that when we most need the power, in the winter, that the sun just don't shine that long, nor that bright. Nuclear, can run 24/7, winter and summer, and is not reliant on good weather to work.

 

[IT Minion]

PV, which only works, when the sun shines. I notice that when we most need the power, in the winter, that the sun just don't shine that long, nor that bright. Nuclear, can run 24/7, winter and summer, and is not reliant on good weather to work.

Nuclear runs at around 80% capacity and you have to buy it even when you don't want it, at a ridiculous price.

Wind is higher in winter, lower in summer which balances out PV for the most part.

You really didn't read the book did you? It covers this.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Wind is higher in winter, lower in summer which balances out PV for the most part.

Really - I think you mean 'wind can be higher. Much of the time, and for many weeks, in winter, there can be periods of zero wind - none at all, and no sun. Then what?

Today, for instance - dark, almost no wind, and the energy cost is at a recent very high cost. That, is a good indication that so called renewable, just are not coping. Instead, we are burning gas, to cope with the Sunday load.

 

[IT Minion]

Really - I think you mean 'wind can be higher. Much of the time, and for many weeks, in winter, there can be periods of zero wind - none at all, and no sun. Then what?

Today, for instance - dark, almost no wind, and the energy cost is at a recent very high cost. That, is a good indication that so called renewable, just are not coping. Instead, we are burning gas, to cope with the Sunday load.

Wind is currently delivering 32% of the national demand. It was around 40% for most of the day.

It's almost like there is more weather in the UK than just around your house.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Wind is currently delivering 32% of the national demand. It was around 40% for most of the day.

It's almost like there is more weather in the UK than just around your house.

And the rest, from fossil fuels!

 

[IT Minion]

And the rest, from fossil fuels!

No, then another 10% from Nuclear, roughly 10% from ICs and 7% from Biomass. Fossil fuels are making up around 40% though. But then again no one else has claimed we've got net zero yet. Just you.

Are you ever going to accept you're just not very well informed on this stuff?

 

[SPLINE]

And the rest, from fossil fuels!

The windmills are made in China using fossil fuels. They sell them to us but are not daft enough to use them themselves.

 

[IT Minion]

The windmills are made in China using fossil fuels. They sell them to us but are not daft enough to use them themselves.

Not even close to true. They're [China] installing around 100GW a year at the moment.

The UK has around 30GW in total. So all our turbines every 4 months.

The US has around 150GW installed.

The EU has around 300GW installed.

China has around 600GW installed.

Also, a good proportion of UK installed turbines are made here.

Turbines for the Hornsea One and Two offshore wind farms were primarily manufactured by Siemens Gamesa in the UK. The turbine blades were produced at the company's dedicated facility in Green Port Hull. The project, located off the East Yorkshire coast, is a key development by Ørsted.

It's not a coincidence that the posters denying man made climate change are also the most ignorant and badly informed on everything else as well.

 

[MNW67]

They sell them to us but are not daft enough to use them themselves.

China installs more windmills each year than the rest of the world put together.

 

[IT Minion]

China installs more windmills each year than the rest of the world put together.

It's almost as if they're the cheapest form of electricity now...

Except they aren't the cheapest, that's PV. They installed around 400GW of that last year as well.

They need to phase out coal faster but they are investing a huge amount into renewables, because they make sense.

 

[aveatry]

Also, a good proportion of UK installed turbines are made here.

So what is the good proportion then - separate figures for stem and blades please

It's not a coincidence that the posters denying man made climate change are also the most ignorant and badly informed on everything else as well.

No one believes it any more, read the comments on any climate news article or government facebook post. The problem is they "over cooked it" pun intended.
The world is burning - they said that
That's just 1 example
Amplifying extreme weather, and linking it to the nonsense - news reporters finding a snow drift to go and stand in to do their climate report and at each opportunity the government increasing "climate tax"
Flying in private jets to COP meetings ploughing roads through rain forests and dining on lobster for lunch whilst telling us to turn down the heating and put a jumper on.
Encouraging us to buy EV cars and then taxing us £600 because its a luxury car
Then that's not enough now the EV virtue signallers are going to have to pay per mile
Feel scammed yet -- yes you! - you who were taken in hook line and sinker YOU my friends are the ignorant and badly informed ones

 

[IT Minion]

So what is the good proportion then - separate figures for stem and blades please

No one believes it any more, read the comments on any climate news article or government facebook post. The problem is they "over cooked it" pun intended.
The world is burning - they said that
That's just 1 example
Amplifying extreme weather, and linking it to the nonsense - news reporters finding a snow drift to go and stand in to do their climate report and at each opportunity the government increasing "climate tax"
Flying in private jets to COP meetings ploughing roads through rain forests and dining on lobster for lunch whilst telling us to turn down the heating and put a jumper on.
Encouraging us to buy EV cars and then taxing us £600 because its a luxury car
Then that's not enough now the EV virtue signallers are going to have to pay per mile
Feel scammed yet -- yes you! - you who were taken in hook line and sinker YOU my friends are the ignorant and badly informed ones

None of that is relevant to anything we're discussing. Nor does it have anything to do with if climate change is manageable made, not anything to do with if net zero should be done or not.

Or in short: stop whining and make your point for a change.