Holy Smoke

[JohnD]

Another person who takes care to avoid the numbers.

Presumably he knows he's doing it.

 

[pete01]

Another person who takes care to avoid the numbers.

Me? I just googled it I dont really care.

 

[JohnD]

I dont really care.

Clearly.

 

[pete01]

Clearly.

Ay?

 

[Highway Man]

Clearly.

Just keep to the facts John. It is as I said that there is more of a problem with drugs than drink related driving. Nothing you can say can argue against that fact.

 

[Highway Man]

Another person who takes care to avoid the numbers.

Presumably he knows he's doing it.

Drink & Drug Driving: The Numbers That Should Worry Us All

New data has highlighted a worrying rise in serious road incidents linked to drug-driving across the UK. While deaths from drink-driving have slightly dropped, drug-driving is heading in the opposite…

www.majlaw.co.uk

 

[Highway Man]

It’s a bloody good job that I am on this forum to keep you all in check and dish out the facts that you seem to lack.

 

[JohnD]

Just keep to the facts John. It is as I said that there is more of a problem with drugs than drink related driving. Nothing you can say can argue against that fact.

That's what you claim, but you take care to avoid the actual number of violent crimes committed by drunks, or the number of motoring offences committed by drunks.

You town may have shambling drunks fighting in the streets at closing time. You don't find crowds of stoners doing that.

After a defeat in a football match, the wives of drunks dread their violent husbands coming home looking for a victim to knock about.

 

[Highway Man]

That's what you claim, but you take care to avoid the actual number of violent crimes committed by drunks, or the number of motoring offences committed by drunks.

You town may have shambling drunks fighting in the streets at closing time. You don't find crowds of stoners doing that.

After a defeat in a football match, the wives of drunks dread their violent husbands coming home looking for a victim to knock about.

You’re not dealing in facts again John. This is made up by you wanting to legalise drugs

 

[JohnD]

In the last six months, next door's baby has doubled in size. I have not increased at all

Highwayman thinks that the baby is therefore bigger than me.

 

[King Billy]

JohnD is quite correct, comparative increases or decreases do not prove that absolute numbers are greater or smaller.
When it rains, the puddle outside my house grows by 300%, whereas the nearby lake hardly seems to increase in size at all.

According to HWM logic the puddle must hold more water than the lake.

There are other factors to consider also:
drugs remain in the system considerably longer than alcohol.

Yes, many drugs stay in your system significantly longer than alcohol. While alcohol is typically metabolized and cleared from the body within 12–24 hours ..., many drugs and their metabolites can be detected for weeks or even months depending on the substance and the type of test.

A new campaign was launched in April 2025
So there will have been a parallel increase in random drug testing.
Whereas drink-driving has been under the microscope for decades, and has become socially unacceptable.
Thus "data" will be manipulated to support the measures to discourage drug-driving. (and clearly the data manipulation has worked on HWM and Pete who now think it's an absolute increase.).

The testing equipment for drugs is under constant development. So while there may not be an absolute increase in drug-driving, improved testing equipment might suggest an apparent increase.

 

[morqthana]

Of course it is true. Why would anyone who is not a drug user want the law changing to make illegal drugs legal?

Surely you understand that not everybody is selfish.

 

[Highway Man]

Surely you understand that not everybody is selfish.

Not really, I feel the drug laws are adequet as they stand. Would you like to legalise drug driving too as you are not selfish?

 

[Odds]

JohnD is quite correct, comparative increases or decreases do not prove that absolute numbers are greater or smaller.
When it rains, the puddle outside my house grows by 300%, whereas the nearby lake hardly seems to increase in size at all.

According to HWM logic the puddle must hold more water than the lake.

H-man and logic?
An oxymoron if ever there was.

There are other factors to consider also:
drugs remain in the system considerably longer than alcohol.

It's like comparing apples and aubergine: you can eat both but not at the same time.
People will have a wide degree of tolerance to them, some will have no liking for one or the other or another will prefer one to the other.
You can make a free choice with the right information.

A new campaign was launched in April 2025
So there will have been a parallel increase in random drug testing.
Whereas drink-driving has been under the microscope for decades, and has become socially unacceptable.
Thus "data" will be manipulated to support the measures to discourage drug-driving. (and clearly the data manipulation has worked on HWM and Pete who now think it's an absolute increase.).

The testing equipment for drugs is under constant development. So while there may not be an absolute increase in drug-driving, improved testing equipment might suggest an apparent increase.

I've been in a car driven by a toker and felt perfectly safe but never would i even consider getting in the same vehicle with a toper.

 

[King Billy]

Not really, I feel the drug laws are adequet as they stand. Would you like to legalise drug driving too as you are not selfish?

How can not being selfish remotely equate to legalising driving and drugs?
There definitely is something wrong with your logic.