Henry Nowak inquest...

[Odds]

I didn't need to read beyond the first sentence to know that this was Guardian Labour party propaganda.

You're poisoning your own mind reading that fictitious drivel.

So you didn't click on the link to the live stream of the event?

Liff in your bubble brain must be tyrrebly, tyrrebly dull.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Protests aren't normally pretty. They're the result of a failure of democracy.

People are desperate. Nobody ever voted for mass immigration, it's never been on any manifesto, ever from any party. The winners of general elections have won because they promised to reduce it for about the last 20 years, then all have done the exact opposite.

I'm glad that people protest, at great personal risk to themselves. Even if they sometimes over-step the line.

 

[King Billy]

The interpersonal stuff isn't really your talent though.

'king silly seems like a textbook idealist dreamy leftie to me. Fairly young at a guess. All principles and daydreams with absolutely no common sense or reality. But absolutely convinced he's right and everyone else doesn't understand.

Socialists are mostly lovely people. Sadly they don't understand the damage that their cause inflicts in the long term. Also they think that non-lefties are intrinsically bad people who actually want the poor to suffer.

Most people start out as genuinely well-meaning socialists. Then they grow up and understand that it doesn't have all the answers and causes lots of unintended harm to people. People take different lengths of time to work this out, some never do. Some wave so many flags in the face of those around them that they feel compelled to continue supporting their cause, even after they've worked out that it's nonsense.

You gotta laugh when Ivor criticises ellal for ad hominem comments, then immediately launches into an ad hominem tirade himself, without any semblance of addressing the topic of the thread.
Talk about utter hypocrisy.

 

[King Billy]

Protests aren't normally pretty. They're the result of a failure of democracy.

People are desperate. Nobody ever voted for mass immigration, it's never been on any manifesto, ever from any party. The winners of general elections have won because they promised to reduce it for about the last 20 years, then all have done the exact opposite.

I'm glad that people protest, at great personal risk to themselves. Even if they sometimes over-step the line.

You're not far from Lucy Connoloy, morally.
I bet you excuse your behaviour of the failure of democracy.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

You gotta laugh when Ivor criticises ellal for ad hominem comments, then immediately launches into an ad hominem tirade himself, without any semblance of addressing the topic of the thread.
Talk about utter hypocrisy.

I was attempting to defend you, from the alternative theory of being in a french loony bin and not allowed on the internet after 9pm.

Lefties are kinda sweet, in a weird way. Definitely well-meaning. You just need to ignore the track record of every socialist government ever and it's all a great idea.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

You're not far from Lucy Connoloy, morally.
I bet you excuse your behaviour of the failure of democracy.

Lady Lucy will be in the house of lords soon.

I'm honoured to be compared to her.

 

[noseall]

'king silly seems like a textbook idealist dreamy leftie to me. Fairly young at a guess. All principles and daydreams with absolutely no common sense or reality. But absolutely convinced he's right and everyone else doesn't understand.

Socialists are mostly lovely people. Sadly they don't understand the damage that their cause inflicts in the long term. Also they think that non-lefties are intrinsically bad people who actually want the poor to suffer.

Most people start out as genuinely well-meaning socialists. Then they grow up and understand that it doesn't have all the answers and causes lots of unintended harm to people. People take different lengths of time to work this out, some never do. Some wave so many flags in the face of those around them that they feel compelled to continue supporting their cause, even after they've worked out that it's nonsense.

Socialists you say? God yes those pesky hospitals, state pension, police force, fire service - yeah let’s go private and enrich the shareholders Thames Water style.

then all have done the exact opposite.

Nice to see Labour bucking the trend. Economy is doing surprisingly well too.

All good. Keep it up Keir.

 

[King Billy]

I was attempting to defend you,

Of course you were:

'king silly

 

[King Billy]

Protests aren't normally pretty. They're the result of a failure of democracy.

There isn't a referendum on everything in the UK's democratic proces.
So how can protests be a failure of democracy?

I'm glad that people protest, at great personal risk to themselves. Even if they sometimes over-step the line.

You can't excuse violent protest on a failure of democracy, which you invariably apply to certain protests , while simultaneously criticising other violent protests.
For example, I'm sure your support the violent protests seen recently in Southhampton and Belfast while simultaneously criticising the violent protests by Palestine Action.

In your eyes, they must both be a failure of democracy, or neither are.

 

[gauldicus]

September 2027 is mad though. Over a year away. Something's definitely causing a holdup. Could be complex medical evidence or police complaints procedure.

 

[SPLINE]

September 2027 is mad though. Over a year away. Something's definitely causing a holdup. Could be complex medical evidence or police complaints procedure.

Or the government burying it.

 

[King Billy]

September 2027 is mad though. Over a year away. Something's definitely causing a holdup. Could be complex medical evidence or police complaints procedure.

It's been explained multiple times by multiple different posters.
Did you not read the thread?

 

[Vinty]

Protests aren't normally pretty. They're the result of a failure of democracy

They are the product of democracy.
Disagreement among the people is a sign of a healthy democracy.
Of course you could have a system where protests are banned like N.Korea, and the media could then present a picture of harmon, contentment and bliss but you will need to lock up an awful lot of people.

 

[Vinty]

The winners of general elections have won because they promised to reduce it for about the last 20 years, then all have done the exact opposite.

That is because those who bankroll Political parties and the interests of the working class don't align.
If the average working class person doesn't want competition for resources like health care and housing, why did they vote Tory to allow it.?
The highest rates of immigration took place under t Tory government's.
Why do you think this was?

 

[SPLINE]

The highest rates of immigration took place under t Tory government's.
Why do you think that was?

Because the 'tory' goverments were not conservative. They were Blair continuation