what do GPs do.

[billyo]

i go to my Doc for tests he takes my blood pressure sends me to hospital they take 5 blood samples send to lab, we get results i get put on tables for life, thats 5 years ago i go to doc every 4 months same sh## blood pressure asked how i feel see you in another 4 months , my point the dock never laid a hand on me so who put me on tables Doc or lab i think all we need to do is go up to hospital get a blood test and let the lab work out what we need or a nurse, and let Doc's proform opp's. i have my own blood pressure tester now yes i bougth it . not free or do we need to see them for every part of our well being

 

[Diyisfun]

To help others... TABLES = Tablets

 

[billyo]

Diyisfun ,soz i missed a E, and the young love them

 

[NickStone]

I think you make a good point billyo. GPs get paid a lot but they do seem to have given up on the kind of diagnosing that takes the whole person into account. Instead, they just follow a line to the nearest solution. But things aren't great in the hospitals, either. My son-in-law is an anaesthetist and he's forever complaining about colleagues who don't necessarily put patients first. To take just one example, there's a very simple procedure called intubation which can save a person's life if their airways are blocked. When emergencies come in, the ONLY person who can perform this procedure is the anaesthetist, and if there isn't one to hand, well tough. Even though, it's relatively simple to do, no one else wants to learn it because it might add to their workload. My son-in-law got to someone just in time last week - they were already turning blue.

 

[billyo]

nick, that is shocking you would think a nurse or first aider could be trained to do it. but as u said its not my jod theother thing i notice as i talked to my Dr is he is forever tap into the computer, he will ask u something then i am sure he waits to see if the computer says yes

 

[megawatt]

To take just one example, there's a very simple procedure called intubation which can save a person's life if their airways are blocked. When emergencies come in, the ONLY person who can perform this procedure is the anaesthetist, and if there isn't one to hand, well tough.

This is totally incorrect and I suggest that your SIL is typical of many bleating Anaesthetists who think that they are the only people in hospitals that do anything useful.

He's probably taken up anaesthetics because he couldn't manage medicine or surgery and is now taking every opportunity to deride the people doing the job he's incapable of ... I mean, how difficult can it be to stick a mask over someone's face and put them to sleep ... And it took him HOW MANY years training?

The fact is ... All emergency department consultants and many junior doctors are trained and certified to inubate/extubate patients.

Tell him he may prefer dentistry, many failed doctors go that route.

MW

 

[billyo]

who been told off then

 

[joe-90]

Megawatts missus is a GP.

 

[NickStone]

Tell him he may prefer dentistry, many failed doctors go that route.

MW

What makes you think he's a failed doctor, megawatt? He's just reached consultant level.

 

[Deluks]

Intubation? I read about that in the SAS survival handbook. That's where you cut someones windpipe open with a pair of scissors (or whatever comes to hand) and stick a biro that's had the insides removed in the hole, and secure with a bit of gaffa tape. Easy peasy!

However knowing how to do the procedure is one thing, I'm so squeamish I would pass out before I could hack through the windpipe so they'd be as good as dead anyway.

 

[megawatt]

What makes you think he's a failed doctor, megawatt? He's just reached consultant level.

I was actually being fascitious Nick about Anaesthetists not actually being proper Doctors but I can see it was wasted on you now

Deluks: Not done quite like that in a hospital environment but 10/10 for enthusiasm
Intubation needs separate training and certification because it isn't a simple procedure. It is very easy to damage the patient's larynx or stick the tube down the oesophagus if carried out incorrectly.

MW

 

[NickStone]

I was actually being fascitious Nick about Anaesthetists not actually being proper Doctors but I can see it was wasted on you now
MW

Well, you were obviously upset and trading insults isn't my style.

 

[NickStone]

nick, that is shocking you would think a nurse or first aider could be trained to do it. but as u said its not my jod theother thing i notice as i talked to my Dr is he is forever tap into the computer, he will ask u something then i am sure he waits to see if the computer says yes

I would guess that part of the problem is that if it goes wrong then the person doing it (and/or the hospital) could get sued and that's a big worry for doctors and hospitals today. So, on the one hand it makes sense to leave it to the person most qualified to do it. On the other hand, there's no doubt that defensive medicine is not always in the patients' best interests.

Re your doc and the computer, he's probably looking at the screen to see how many seconds of consultation time are left. You have 30 seconds and counting . . . Wind it up now, now, now (just kidding ). I didn't realise how short NHS consultations are until I went to Australia and saw a GP over there. All I had was a headache (a really bad one) but I got the works - eyes tested - blood pressure checked, etc. Took over 20 minutes. It's a different system there, though. Over here, GPs are paid a per capita allowance so the more patients they have on their list the more money they make. But of course, the more patients they have, the less time they have to spend on each one. In Australia, they get paid for each appointment.

 

[joe-90]

GPs here are allowed 7 minutes. Australian GPs take about the amount amount of time usually, otherwise they couldn't give you an appointment if every consultation took 20 mins.

 

[megawatt]

Well, you were obviously upset and trading insults isn't my style.

Not at all ... Just correcting your wholly inaccurate statement about hospital intubation and trying to understand why your son in law told you such nonsense.

MW