Should Children be vaccinated?

Swwils said:
The principal is slightly different purely because the prognosis for children is different. I.e. they tend to experience mild symptoms and it would seem that complications are thankfully very rare.

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that’s exactly the case with German measles. Catching it as a child is low risk.

However, children pass it on to pregnant mothers who are high risk.

same argument for vaccinating children to help protect the older generation and those clinically vulnerable.
 
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My fiancee is a nurse and was offered the vaccine a good while ago. She declined it based on the fact that we were trying for a baby and the data set isn't there to show the effects on pregnancy and newborns. Other nurses pressured her to have it so she went to have it. When at the vaccination centre a GP advised she did not have the vaccine. Another GP at her surgery advised she did. There was a big conference call and the unanimous advice was to NOT have the vaccine. This came from the most senior figure in community healthcare for her trust. After a bit of thinking our side, she decided to go for it (because she sees a lot of elderly patients, and homes are seeing another spike in cases). She has only had her first dose and is now pregnant.

The advice is all over the shop but largely a "no". Having the vaccine is a risk as we simply don't know (longer term) enough about potential side effects.

My own view is that Covid is just another seasonal virus. Vaccinating children sounds good, but again we don't know long-term enough about the vaccine. I've known several close family who died very prematurely last year by having their cancer treatment stopped (as a result of the Covid reaction). My own Grandmother also had Covid, but survived it and died of frailty and a very long-term heart condition at the age of 95. I could hardly see her in the home and she became very lonely. The reaction for me has been worse than the virus.
 
cwhaley said:
The advice is all over the shop but largely a "no". Having the vaccine is a risk as we simply don't know (longer term) enough about potential side effects.
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The stats out of the US, where they've been vaccinating pregnant women from the start should be reassuring. There haven't been any issues found.

Covid in late pregnancy doubles the risk of stillbirth if I remember right. If she's in the NHS then the odds are she won't be allowed to work with unscreened patients during her last trimester, especially if she's not fully vaccinated.
 
IT Minion said:
The stats out of the US, where they've been vaccinating pregnant women from the start should be reassuring. There haven't been any issues found.

Covid in late pregnancy doubles the risk of stillbirth if I remember right. If she's in the NHS then the odds are she won't be allowed to work with unscreened patients during her last trimester, especially if she's not fully vaccinated.
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That is very true and the reassurance is there (it's partially what swayed her decision) however our concerns are of problems developing later in the child's life -- there's no long-term data on children born to vaccinated mothers.

She is in the NHS yes, and to my surprise they have told her that she no longer needs to visit Covid patients from now on which is a huge relief (and she is only 8 weeks). This is a blanket rule. As it happens, the trust isn't struggling with Covid patients, however it is struggling to cope with staff being off isolating.
 
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cwhaley said:
That is very true and the reassurance is there (it's partially what swayed her decision) however our concerns are of problems developing later in the child's life -- there's no long-term data on children born to vaccinated mothers.

She is in the NHS yes, and to my surprise they have told her that she no longer needs to visit Covid patients from now on which is a huge relief (and she is only 8 weeks). This is a blanket rule. As it happens, the trust isn't struggling with Covid patients, however it is struggling to cope with staff being off isolating.
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There's no reason to expect any negative impacts, she'll probably get her whooping cough vaccine in a few months too, but logic isn't great at dealing with concerns.

Congratulations by the way.
 
ellal said:
"We do not yet know whether that third dose is clinically needed,"
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Third? You still haven't found the courage to have the first. Thankfully, doctors are looking toward giving kids the option to overrule any dodgy, abusive out-and-out barmy anti-vaxer parents, allowing them to get the vaccine should they wish to.
Thank heavens for sense and reason.
 
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cwhaley said:
My fiancee is a nurse and was offered the vaccine a good while ago. She declined it based on the fact that we were trying for a baby and the data set isn't there to show the effects on pregnancy and newborns. Other nurses pressured her to have it so she went to have it. When at the vaccination centre a GP advised she did not have the vaccine. Another GP at her surgery advised she did. There was a big conference call and the unanimous advice was to NOT have the vaccine. This came from the most senior figure in community healthcare for her trust. After a bit of thinking our side, she decided to go for it (because she sees a lot of elderly patients, and homes are seeing another spike in cases). She has only had her first dose and is now pregnant.

The advice is all over the shop but largely a "no". Having the vaccine is a risk as we simply don't know (longer term) enough about potential side effects.

My own view is that Covid is just another seasonal virus. Vaccinating children sounds good, but again we don't know long-term enough about the vaccine. I've known several close family who died very prematurely last year by having their cancer treatment stopped (as a result of the Covid reaction). My own Grandmother also had Covid, but survived it and died of frailty and a very long-term heart condition at the age of 95. I could hardly see her in the home and she became very lonely. The reaction for me has been worse than the virus.
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my niece is expecting, she had to stop work as a radiographer in the NHS after I think 3rd trimester (could be wrong it maybe 2nd)

Covid can cause very nasty damage to a person, I wouldn’t say it’s just another seasonal virus.
 
cwhaley said:
That is very true and the reassurance is there (it's partially what swayed her decision) however our concerns are of problems developing later in the child's life -- there's no long-term data on children born to vaccinated mothers
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It’s a big worry for pregnant women and indeed for parents with young children.

Having to choose whether to have the jab or not must be hard in those circumstances.
 
noseall said:
Third? You still haven't found the courage to have the first. Thankfully, doctors are looking toward giving kids the option to overrule any dodgy, abusive out-and-out barmy anti-vaxer parents, allowing them to get the vaccine should they wish to.
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Ah, the usual accusation of one who is too stupid/cowardly to ask questions about a largely untested jab(s)...

And if you think that parental control should be overruled and forced medication to become the norm, then you are simply a rabid vaxxer nazi!

I really hope you don't have children, because you are advocating a further advancement of state control...

Where will it end?

I wonder, do you agree with 16 year olds (let alone 12 year olds) having the vote?

The government seems to think they don't have the capacity at 16 to make a reasoned political choice, so why is it a different case with the 'virus'?
 
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