Barclays confirms trans women to be barred from using ladies’ toilets

[Deleted member 323070]

It's my opinion that a more accurate description would be:

"Barclays confirms people who are not women to be barred from using women's toilets​

In that case, and similarly, people who are not men are banned from using the men's spaces.
They can legally use the women's spaces, and there's nowt anybody can do about it.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

But to a massive extent right wing politicians and right wing media have used the trans debate as a massive culture war target.

Because they've already lost the homosexual and single-sex marriage/adoption arguments.
They'll lose the transgender argument as well. It'll just take a bit longer to educate the prejudiced.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Yes, quite a lot of women were unhappy at having the word taken away from them, and given to people who are not women.

Mothers are entitled to be called mothers.

Breast-feeding women are breast-feeding women.

And how sensitive are they if they're referred to birthing parents, or they're chest feeding the babies ‽
There are many women who are embarrassed to use the word 'breast' or to refer to various genitalia by the proper names.

Weirdly, there are some men who object to the word 'woman' being used for transgender women.
What's that all about‽

I suspect it was a typical case of any weapon to exploit in their transgender war against transgenders.

 

[motorbiking]

Not at all.
Mbk preferred to divert the discussion to another subject.
He asked the definition of "Open Offer".
I gav ehim a couple, which he pronounced as wrong, but without being able to offer his own definition.
It was a blatant and typical mbk tactic, divert and procrastinate on the diversion.

There are essentially a few different types of offer, some are extensions of others:

- Open Offer: is an offer that can be submitted, to court as evidence of an offer if the matter goes to court. They are typically used to protect a costs claim if there is a feeling that the other side is being unreasonable
- Without Prejudice offer: This is an offer that cannot be submitted as evidence, it does not necessarily mean the offer is marked "without prejudice". Offers made between parties without the benefit of legal advice are usually considered without prejudice, save admission of wrong doing etc.
- Calderbank offers: As above save as to costs, meaning it can be considered by the judge as an offer once he has decided the case, in order to assess costs.
- Part 36 offers: follow CPR PAP rules, must state Part 36, be in writing, be at least valid for 21 days. Failure to comply places your cost order at risk.

it was important on the other thread, because the Judge referred to an Open Offer. To anyone with the most basic legal knowledge, that cannot be a Without Prejudice offer.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

I think to an extent some of the more aggressive trans activists have caused problems for the wider community. And it ties into the wider discussion on the other thread about what many people call "woke". In the 2000s and 2010s, there were great advances in societies attitudes to many minorities. But then the more aggressive activists just kept pushing and pushing. It started getting silly, as in the examples above, and eventually there was a backlash.

@TomWW and @morqthana

You have amply demonstrated your lack of empathy for others with your description of not clapping, as woke.
You fail to understand and feel empathy for those who suffer anxiety by sudden loud noises.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Have a read

The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992

www.legislation.gov.uk

Do you understand this phrase:
"except where "
your link para 20 (2) (c)

 

[pete01]

 

[Deleted member 323070]

What will happen in practice is that those who have had surgery, and who "pass" will carry on using the same toilets they previously did, but men with beards and penises who think they are women just because they are wearing a dress must use the gents.

What will more probably happen is that the SC will revisit their decision under pressure from medical science.

 

[motorbiking]

What will more probably happen is that the SC will revisit their decision under pressure from medical science.

You don't think they are smart enough to consider this the first time around?

 

[Deleted member 323070]

That sounds very possible.

I wonder whether that will be acceptable to those on the pro-women/anti-trans side.

I doubt if. Their problem is probably pure prejudice and they are using the arguments they have presented as weapons in a culture war.
Remember, not only men are extreme right -wingers.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Its fairly easy to enforce.

- Employee - You must use the toilet of your sex. Failure to comply may result in disciplinary action, including dismissal.
- Customer/service user - - You must use the toilet of your sex. Failure to comply may result in refusal of service/being asked to leave.

Penalties far stricter than that really stopped homosexuality, didn't it ‽

 

[Deleted member 323070]

There are essentially a few different types of offer, some are extensions of others:

- Open Offer: is an offer that can be submitted, to court as evidence of an offer if the matter goes to court. They are typically used to protect a costs claim if there is a feeling that the other side is being unreasonable

It was a new argument introduced by you, purley to divert the discussion and for not other reason.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Are you thinking cubicles? They do not count as rooms if they don't have hand washing facilities.

Dancing around again?

 

[Lower]

And how sensitive are they if they're referred to birthing parents, or they're chest feeding the babies ‽
There are many women who are embarrassed to use the word 'breast' or to refer to various genitalia by the proper names.

Weirdly, there are some men who object to the word 'woman' being used for transgender women.
What's that all about‽

I suspect it was a typical case of any weapon to exploit in their transgender war against transgenders.

Many women were upset that 'chest feeding' became a thing in the NHS. Many people full stop are unhappy about the word women being appropriated by transgenders. Its amazing how aggressive these so called transgender 'women' are towards real women. They only seem to care about transgender feelings, not about the feelings of proper women.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

You don't think they are smart enough to consider this the first time around?

They refused to consider evidence/counsel form stakeholders and medical science.

That wasn't terribly smart of them.