You know, Stoday, it really would help if you could work on the reading and paying attention things.
then there is little point in arguing that the socket is not [fixed], because the fixed cable brings the job into the scope of Part P.
and since then I've only talked about the fixed status of the cable, so why you keep banging on about the socket is beyond me.
Surely it can't be just so that you can disagree with me, no matter how ludicrous a position you have to take to do so?
And the cable is fixed as well.
I never said it wasn't.
So at first you denied that the cable was not fixed.
Then you tried this:
My definition is:
Fixed Equipment. Equipment that is fixed such that a passing thief can't grab it and make away with it.
(Which, it has to be said, didn't attract a lot of support.)
Then, when it became clear that that still meant that the cable was fixed, because clipped to the wall like that a thief could definitely not grab it and make away with it, you decided to try this:
I'm using the common meaning of fixed — that it's not moveable.
I really don't think that anybody applying common sense would say that a cable running through cleats or p-clips firmly screwed to a wall would say that the cable was not fixed to the wall.
If you were being paid to do a job, part of the spec for which included fixing the cable to the wall, what materials would you insist on using?
If the clips didn't exert a vice-like grip on the cable, how impressed would you be if the client refused to pay you?
I'm sitting here looking a phone which by any reasonable, common sense, definition is fixed to the wall. As with all, or nearly all, domestic indoor phones it has keyhole slots on the back, and the technique is to put screws in the wall, adjusted so that the heads are clear of the wall surface by just enough so that when the phone is placed over them and slid down it doesn't wobble about.
Imagine if you were installing an extension phone for someone, and they said they wanted you to fix the phone to the wall, would you:
a) Refuse, on the grounds that fixing it was not possible?
b) Argue, on the grounds that fixing it was not possible, but go ahead reluctantly?
c) Just get on and do it because you knew full well what "fixing it to the wall" meant?
What would you do if the client wasn't there?
If you did "mount it", shall we say, on the wall as I described, would you really be quite in agreement with the client, and not at all miffed, if they said "I'm not paying you because you did not fix the phone to the wall"?
FGS - when are you going to stop inventing these ever more bizarre definitions of things in desperate attempts to make out that regulations do not apply when they clearly do by any reasonable and common sense standards?
My definition is:
Fixed Equipment. Equipment that is fixed such that a passing thief can't grab it and make away with it.
That definition identifies fixed electrical equipment without the silly consequences of BAS's definition.
It's not really "my" definition - I genuinely believe an overwhelming number of people, applying the common sense meaning of fixed, would also use it.
And the consequence of it meaning that the cable is fixed is that the installation of it falls within the scope of the Building Regulations.
Now - you may very well think that it is silly to require people to install outside sockets, power to outbuildings etc in ways which make reasonable provision to protect persons operating, maintaining or altering them from fire or injury, but that's really an issue of whether, and how far, the state should regulate for safety.
To be so determinedly opposed to how far the state currently goes that you abandon all common sense in "defining" what "fixed" means just so that you can "show" that the regulations don't apply is crazy.
