Can you have a socket on a 20A ring?

As no one has yet dug up such a regulation we must presume there is no such regulation.
It's seemingly becoming increasingly likely you're right - and it certainly wasn't me who thought, let alone claimed, that there is such a regulation. However, as has been said (not the least, by me!) many times before, in a situation like this the absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Are there no lurking plumbers of gasmen/gaswomen who could referee for us?

Kind Regards, John
 
These installer instruction stipulate 3 times to check the fuse (3A)...
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I absolutely agree. I have had on several occasions needed to replace heating controllers that have fried because the numpty installer has left a 13A fuse in the FCU, rather than the 3A specified in the MIs.
There’s no problem in doing this until a fault occurs!
I expect there will be bleating (to follow) from someone who will assert that the manufacturers do not know what they are talking about, and their instructions should be disregarded. But that is what we have to deal with.
 
These installer instruction stipulate 3 times to check the fuse (3A)...

Yes, and as I have said before manufacturers instructions are guidance only and don't have to be followed, especially when they are wrong. Those instructions did not say what not needs to be done in other countries where FCUs are not available or compliant. Would be interesting to ask them and see what they say.
 
Given that some boiler manufacturers do not have internal fuses and that I and others have seen boilers FUBARred by 13A fuses, I would go with the following:
The fuse is the FCU would be to protect the equipment. And the cb to protect the cable.
I've seen PCBs burnt out because they were protected by 13A fuses instead of 3A, even on circuits protected by 5A 3036s.
The only way to protect a boiler in the event of an overload is to fit a 3A 1362.
I believe it's also a requirement in the Gas Safe regs to protect a boiler with a 3A overcurrent protective device.
 
I expect there will be bleating (to follow) from someone who will assert that the manufacturers do not know what they are talking about, and their instructions should be disregarded

It’s inevitable

manufacturers instructions are guidance only and don't have to be followed

Obviously, manufacturers have no idea about the products that they sell. My experience (and others) tell a different tale. But you keep banging on, Winston.
 
SS's post.

Quote 1 - I disagree.
Quote 2 - How do they know it wouldn't have burnt out with a 3A fuse?
Quote 3 - Can boilers cause overload?
Quote 4 - Is it? No one seems able to produce a document.
 
With regard to the manufacturer's "instructions" quoted by SS -

Do people regard everything in the document as a regulation?

E.g. "installation should be carried out by a qualified electrician or heating engineer", or the wiring diagrams shown are the only way you may connect the system.

It says 3A fuse must be used; that therefore precludes using a 3A MCB, I suppose.

Does the fact that it says "fuse must be used" rather than protection or overcurrent device indicate a lack of knowledge and give rise to doubt of its regulatory enforceability?
 
Given that some boiler manufacturers do not have internal fuses and that I and others have seen boilers FUBARred by 13A fuses ....
It's usually others asking this question (or making this point), but (assuming such boilers exist) are you suggesting that manufacturers who do that do not sell the boilers concerned in the rest of Europe, and will include instructions that they must not be installed other than in the UK?

As those others have pointed out, it would not really be right for the manufacturer to insist on 3A protection without also saying that the product must be used outside of the UK.

Kind Regards, John
 
I would also question "fubarred by a 13A fuse".
I agree. It's not only speculative but, in my opinion, very unlikely (particularly if it were it a boiler sold for use in other countries, where it would have only 16A external protection).

Kind Regards, John
 
I cannot categorically state that a boiler would not blow with a 3A fuse, or that a blown PCB is caused by a 13A fuse, but having visited many boiler breakdowns with gas engs, a great many of those with damaged PCB's had a 13A fuse in the spur or plug.
 
I cannot categorically state that a boiler would not blow with a 3A fuse, or that a blown PCB is caused by a 13A fuse, but having visited many boiler breakdowns with gas engs, a great many of those with damaged PCB's had a 13A fuse in the spur or plug.
Who knows? However, I doubt that many PCBs would survive the current required to blow even a 3A fuse if that current were flowing through PCB tracks.

Kind Regards, John
 

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