Changing old round pin socket for modern one?

[Harry Bloomfield]

I have a 13amp socket, added to my 6amp stair lift circuit. It was a convenient place to add a socket, just to plug in one of my four landline chargers, at the top of the stair landing. There is a 13amp socket which is on the ring, just two metres away across the landing, and another one at the bottom of the stair.

Going to the trouble of adding another socket on the ring, would have been a nonsense and completely unnecessary.

 

[JohnD]

Never assume that Winston knows what he is talking about.

 

[SUNRAY]

Never assume that those in charge know what they talking about.

Oh, you must be in charge then.

 

[Taylortwocities]

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• Taylortwocities
• 21 Mar 2014
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[Risteard]

if it changed from a 5amp outlet, to 13amp outlet, further assuming it is properly earthed, it is perfectly safe

It's highly likely that it's on an old non-RCD protected lighting circuit, so I would caution against stating that it is "perfectly safe".

 

[winston1]

Once again winny preaches his totally personal opinion that generations of expert panels don't know what they are doing when they write the British Standard , a standard written to protect us all from danger, a standard that specifically includes the use of a 13A socket on a lighting circuit. It seems winny has had some sort of devine revelation or premonition known only to him the use of this specifically listed type of circuit will be the death of mankind.

Strange that these generations of experts are so at odds with similar generations of experts in most other countries where rings are not allowed, plugs don’t have fuses, sockets and switches are permitted anywhere in a bathroom, and sockets are not polarised to mention a few. Yet there are no more fires or electrocutions in these other countries.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Strange that these generations of experts are so at odds with similar generations of experts in most other countries where rings are not allowed, plugs don’t have fuses, sockets and switches are permitted anywhere in a bathroom, and sockets are not polarised to mention a few. Yet there are no more fires or electrocutions in these other countries.

[Joke]They mostly drive on the wrong side of the road. That must tell you something about their lack of concern for safety. [/Joke]

They way things that are done in other countries are just slightly different ways of achieving the same result. It’s just different to the way we do it. Neither is right, or wrong, just different.

 

[bernardgreen]

Yet there are no more fires or electrocutions in these other countries.

,I wish, for the sake of people seeking help and information that Winny would do his research

An extract from https://www.europeanfiresafetyalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Cu0246_WP_FEEDS.pdf

NUMBERS OF FIRES AND FIRES FROM ELECTRICAL SOURCE In some EU countries, statistics were published that represent the number of fires of electrical source. They all show that this number is substantial. According to the French ONSE (Observatoire National de la Sécurité Electrique) [11], there was an average of 82,100 reported fires per year between 2010 and 2013. By “reported” we mean that there was an intervention of the fire brigade. The same document estimates the total number of fires to have reached an average of 200,000 per year over the same period. This means that 2 out of 5 domestic fires required an intervention by the fire brigade. According to the ONSE report, 25% of the fires in France are of electrical source. This was concluded after the investigation of 6 different independent studies that cover the period from 1995 to 2014. From this we can ascertain that France sees an annual average of 50,000 domestic fires of electrical source, reported or not. The figures from the UK show similar tendencies. The UK Electrical Safety Council [12] counted an annual average of 20,000 reported domestic fires of electrical source. If we suppose that the number of reported fires compared to the total number of fires is the same in the UK as in France (2 out of 5), we can conclude that the UK also has an annual average of 50,000 domestic fires of electrical source, reported or not. The total number of dwellings in France and in the UK is almost similar (27,260,000 in France versus 27,765,000 in the UK), which means that we can detect a strong coherence between the figures of both countries. In Germany, an assessment by the German Fire Brigades calculated a total of 26,100 reported fires from electrical source per year in the country. Using the same key as for France and the UK concerning the share of reported fires (2/5), the total number of residential fires of electrical source in Germany (reported or not) is estimated to be 60,000 per year.

 

[Taylortwocities]

,I wish, for the sake of people seeking help and information that Winny would do his research

You mean that he’s not right about everything? I’m shocked.

 

[Risteard]

Strange that these generations of experts are so at odds with similar generations of experts in most other countries where rings are not allowed, plugs don’t have fuses, sockets and switches are permitted anywhere in a bathroom, and sockets are not polarised to mention a few. Yet there are no more fires or electrocutions in these other countries.

It's misguided to think that you can take bits you like from one Standard and bits from another and end up with a safe solution, however. The Standard needs to be taken as a complete document, where safety is assured where it is complied with in full and not as a pick-and-mix. Although I realise that this would be difficult for you Winnie the Pooh, as you don't even know which country you live in.

 

[SUNRAY]

You mean that he’s not right about everything? I’m shocked.

Good heavens... Me too

 

[winston1]

It's misguided to think that you can take bits you like from one Standard and bits from another and end up with a safe solution, however. The Standard needs to be taken as a complete document, where safety is assured where it is complied with in full and not as a pick-and-mix. Although I realise that this would be difficult for you Winnie the Pooh, as you don't even know which country you live in.

You are the one who doesn't know which country you live in. Derry (Londonderry) is in the UK not the Republic of Ireland as you think.

 

[SUNRAY]

Strange that these generations of experts are so at odds with similar generations of experts in most other countries where rings are not allowed, plugs don’t have fuses, sockets and switches are permitted anywhere in a bathroom, and sockets are not polarised to mention a few. Yet there are no more fires or electrocutions in these other countries.

What does it matter what happens in other countries?
Where do you live? UK or one of these other countries?

 

[SUNRAY]

Strange that these generations of experts are so at odds with similar generations of experts in most other countries where rings are not allowed, plugs don’t have fuses, sockets and switches are permitted anywhere in a bathroom, and sockets are not polarised to mention a few. Yet there are no more fires or electrocutions in these other countries.

Hang on a cotton picking minute...

So reading this again, the way I interpret what you write is it matters not one iota what or how electrical accassories are installed.

Working on that basis it surely matters not one iota if a 13A socket is fitted on a 6A circuit or where.