fitz1 said:
- read Gasguru above. do you know and understand.
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fitz1 said:
I said they would come back with tripe!!!! Never fails.
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Water Systems said:
Personally, I think enough time & energy has been wasted on this fool...You will not receive any further correspondence from myself...I hope any sensible engineer`s will feel likewise...Ta,Ta...
WS. Do you know and understand or not.
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A few examples of recent diy gas work encountered
Boiler and unvented cylinder - no safety valves plumbed in, 5 gas leaks including unsoldered joint, parallel coupling jammed into gas valve along with dozen's of other faults.
And behind the door
and unsoldered joint
Here the housholder tried to blame the plumber from Thames water she had called out to fix her sink. They launched a full investigation until she admitted it was her own work (hose on back to front, bayonet socket not on wall, 2 gas leaks)
In this one a householder just used insulating tape to seal - no sealant or gas approved PTFE tape
And not forgetting the illegal and common tap connector to hob connection, just as well the gas leak he had on his own installed pipework was outside. That hob cost him at least £100 a year from the gas leak outside. Note nice isolating valve but no partiation from the drawer underneath.
And there are many, many more images I could post.
Boiler and unvented cylinder - no safety valves plumbed in, 5 gas leaks including unsoldered joint, parallel coupling jammed into gas valve along with dozen's of other faults.
And behind the door
and unsoldered joint
Here the housholder tried to blame the plumber from Thames water she had called out to fix her sink. They launched a full investigation until she admitted it was her own work (hose on back to front, bayonet socket not on wall, 2 gas leaks)
In this one a householder just used insulating tape to seal - no sealant or gas approved PTFE tape
And not forgetting the illegal and common tap connector to hob connection, just as well the gas leak he had on his own installed pipework was outside. That hob cost him at least £100 a year from the gas leak outside. Note nice isolating valve but no partiation from the drawer underneath.
And there are many, many more images I could post.
isnt all that O.k because it was diy and no one was affected by it, and no property was damaged.
There I have what? An agreement? If so, then certainly. I agree with what you've written, but I don't agree with what you were writing earlier in the week. The difference is that you'be added the proviso of a DIYer having to be competent (as does everyone else).Water Systems said:
I don't care that the HSE have said this - unless some action is taken then those words are just irrelevant rhetoric.
No. Legislation, and common law, defines what's legal. The HSE believing, or not believing something, is irrelevant.
I assume that you're addressing one of the seemingly many conflicting personalities inside your own head, since, if you'd read more than a very few of my posts, you'd notice how frequently I refer posters to the MIs.
I offered my agreement with your words as an indication that there is some common ground on which a debate could be based, but you seem to be interested in nothing but contradiction and confrontation.
If it turns out that you really aren't just a troll then I would suspect some mental illness is at play, and I would have grave concerns for your ability to look after yourself on a daily basis.
No - it isn't the law. The law relates not to charging per se, but to doing something in the course of a business. The key factor is whether the window cleaner does the gas work as an unpaid tradesman, or whether he's doing it as a friend. Since you've referred to him as a window cleaner he's not in the role of a friend, so doing gas work is far more likely to be deemed to be illegal.Water Systems said:
It's obvious that you're as rough and ready with spelling and grammer as you are with your understanding of the law.
That's right - I'm following your reasoning, which is leading in circles.
That simply isn't true either - you're on quite a roll
When a particular word, like "competence", isn't closely defined within the context of particular piece of leglisation, then a court, as you correctly observe, wil rule according to its interpretation. The ruling then becomes a precedent for subsequent cases. This much is not news to anyone. However, in the absence of knowing of a precedent we're all giving our opinions about a likely ruling, and, since this forum is largely about expert knowledge and opinions, my opinion is worth just as much as anyone elses.
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Gasguru said:A few examples of recent diy gas work encountered
And there are many, many more images I could post.
This DIYer was outside the law by not being competent. I have seen many Corgis do incompetent work as well. The Corgi mag is full of their tricks and a list of those thrown out of Corgi - and that is not even the tip of the iceberg.
I think you'll find its called "Trolling".
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion
Terry
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion
Terry
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Tezbedz said:
I totally agree. If they read the first post properly there would be no need for all these pages.
If you are competent enough, DIY Gas Work is LEGAL. You DO NOT have to be CORGI registered.
Heating and Plumbing Monthly (July/ August 2006) has a story about two plumbers
This is what it says.
‘John Pritchard of Cardiff has been prosecuted and fined for carrying out illegal gas work without CORGI registration. He was fined £1000 with a further costs charge of £2,200.
An illegal gas worker from Kent was also found guilty of deceiving his customers. Charging them for work that was never finished or never started, has been prosecuted and jailed for 15 months. Ivan Taylor of Canterbury based Boiler Know How, had CORGI registration when working under the company but worked independently without registration.’
Obviously the second party would have been competent to carry out gas work but is NOT CORGI registered.
Heating and Plumbing Monthly (July/ August 2006) has a story about two plumbers
This is what it says.
‘John Pritchard of Cardiff has been prosecuted and fined for carrying out illegal gas work without CORGI registration. He was fined £1000 with a further costs charge of £2,200.
An illegal gas worker from Kent was also found guilty of deceiving his customers. Charging them for work that was never finished or never started, has been prosecuted and jailed for 15 months. Ivan Taylor of Canterbury based Boiler Know How, had CORGI registration when working under the company but worked independently without registration.’
Obviously the second party would have been competent to carry out gas work but is NOT CORGI registered.
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