getting in to the plumbing industry

[vulcancontinental]

Yes, I've been arond a long time and so it seems have you. I don't listen anymore, haven't for years. You have a good memory.

 

[Agile]

Tony, if I may be familiar, don't be dismissive of polite, helpful but useless, those three qualities can take you far. Add well-intentioned and ambitious and you're on your way.

I was not dismissive of him at all ! Whilst not having any useful GCSEs he had a very lucky ability to talk clearly and with a good accent. Its just that he could not fix boilers, even if he had done the same repair the day before!

However, like so many trainees he was into stealing customers! He even had some cards printed with OUR business name but HIS name and telephone !

Tony

 

[DeltaT]

Considering Tony & I are both employers, you lot should show some respect!!

With 100s of time-served ex-site Plumbers Q'ing up for a job, why would anyone consider taking on you deadbeat CC/CCCs??!!

 

[kevplumb]

Considering Tony & I are both employers, you lot should show some respect!!

With 100s of time-served ex-site Plumbers Q'ing up for a job, why would anyone consider taking on you deadbeat CC/CCCs??!!

ahh the dulcet tones of the deadbeat "dick puller" ring out yet again

freaking desk jockey

time served

you should be serving time

 

[vulcancontinental]

Tony, if I may be familiar, don't be dismissive of polite, helpful but useless, those three qualities can take you far. Add well-intentioned and ambitious and you're on your way.

I was not dismissive of him at all ! Whilst not having any useful GCSEs he had a very lucky ability to talk clearly and with a good accent. Its just that he could not fix boilers, even if he had done the same repair the day before!

However, like so many trainees he was into stealing customers! He even had some cards printed with OUR business name but HIS name and telephone !

Tony

I didn't say you were dismissive of him, I mentioned to be wary of being dismissive of those qualities. That fellow cheating you probably would do well for a while then but without the honest part I also mentioned in my mail such people usually fall by the wayside. Not soon enough I admit, but eventually.

Attitude to what you do is as important as aptitude often.

David

 

[lawrance]

A proper NVQ2 requires the student to be doing an apprenticeship and gaining the practical experience during the course.

Why were you not doing that?

You could always email your full CV to me but be aware that I am VERY fussy about whom to take on for training.

The best qualified had an MSc and the worst had just three ( useless ) GCSEs Amusingly the latter was pretty useless but very polite and helpful and customers loved him.

Your two lines posted here have about 8 gramatical/spelling mistakes. To me that indicates a total lack of care or detail. If you cannot be bothered when looking for a job/training then what indication does that give of what you will be like on the job?

Tony

Agile would you consider taking on a novice such as myself? I completed my City and Guilds level 2 last year, and have been doing jobs here and there for the past two years. I'm also on a couple of letting agencies lists so get called out to do small jobs. On top of that i can make a good curry. On top of that i work in the IT industry so could fix your pc's/ On top of that i'm also a former boxer so if anyone doesnt pay up, i'll sort em out for you

Where do i send my cv?

Watch it Tony, he will nick your work give him half a chance!

 

[vulcancontinental]

All these lazy deadbeat CC/CCCs on here during the day, no work & no future.

It must be assuring after spending all that money on a mickey mouse course & no job.................

I trust you're not referring to me? If so I'm hurt.

Four year indentured apprenticeship, six years of college but still learning.

It's also my birthday so I took the day off (and to stop the new dog chewing on the furniture now my son's started his new job).

BTW: While I did my apprenticeship in 1970 I was with time served plumbers some of whom were excellent and some were far less so; I learned more about what not to do from them than the right way of doing something.

I also have to ask, being a newcomer, what exactly is a CC or CCSs I can guess but I'd rather know.

 

[DeltaT]

All these lazy deadbeat CC/CCCs on here during the day, no work & no future.

It must be assuring after spending all that money on a mickey mouse course & no job.................

I trust you're not referring to me? If so I'm hurt.

Four year indentured apprenticeship, six years of college but still learning.

It's also my birthday so I took the day off (and to stop the new dog chewing on the furniture now my son's started his new job).

BTW: While I did my apprenticeship in 1970 I was with time served plumbers some of whom were excellent and some were far less so; I learned more about what not to do from them than the right way of doing something.

I also have to ask, being a newcomer, what exactly is a CC or CCSs I can guess but I'd rather know.

Of course I'm not referring to you, in fact you almost match my own early career in the trade. I differ in the fact I had first class journeymen, great auld boys, that passed on so much to me & many others.

Just to clarify;
CC = Course Cowboy
CCC = Career Change Chancer

Both terms coined by my good self.

 

[East Kent Coastal]

Happy Birthday, Vulcan!

CC - course cowboy

CCC - career change chancer

...or variations on the theme. So nowt you'd qualify for, don't worry.

 

[vulcancontinental]

Of course I'm not referring to you, in fact you almost match my own early career in the trade. I differ in the fact I had first class journeymen, great auld boys, that passed on so much to me & many others.

Just to clarify;
CC = Course Cowboy
CCC = Career Change Chancer

Both terms coined by my good self.

Thank you, today I'm sensitive, I'm not thrilled about being 57.

I don't mind admitting it, I'm envious of the spread of work you've covered and also the other guys here, both specialist leadwork and the ones dealing with the breakdowns and servicing.

Widespread knowledge is great; I just worked in a small cocoon of private and comercial customers for years and of course know a lot about a little.

You mention the journeymen; the best guy I worked with was a Latvian who came over during the war and when demobbed became a plumber. Nothing he couldn't do. No apprenticeship of course but a top man.

Then again there was Horace: indentured apprentice in the 30/40's - 5'4" tall, an absolute powerhouse and nobody could handle lead or iron like he could. When he came to work on the new fangled copper however his idea of soldering a joint was to get the solder to show then take the torch away and before the joint set use a pair of gas pliers to twist the pipe 90 degrees to make sure both the fitting and tube had tinned!!!! I kid you not.

They didn't just show you how to do it but also were walking examples how to work (soldering excepted).


This is an old git writing here, my apologies.

 

[DeltaT]

Happy Birthday by the way auld yin!!

Ah yes, they were great.....They'd give you a good boot up the arze if you did something wrong & always took the pizz out of you!! But you never put your hand in your pocket for a bag of chips or in the Pub.

One or two were POWs & never spoke about it. What these guys went through for our country, you have got to admire them. Great tradesmen as I said, what they could do with copper pipe & a spring - true artisans.

We were lucky, working hand-in-hand with these old boys, they passed on 100s of years of experience & knowledge. Not like these mickey mouse courses, you can learn more from a DIY book FFS!!

 

[Alex1983]

well im allready in a full time job DELTA t i work for the jag. I went to college in the evening and only just finished but looking to get out of that as im going noware and that industrie is dying. i have done few small jods with a friend who i went college with but both got no experience would like to work for somone and get some confidence then take from there.

 

[kevplumb]

look on the bright side

at least your at the other end of the country well away from that muppet

 

[kevindgas]

well im allready in a full time job DELTA t i work for the jag. but looking to get out of that as im going noware and that industrie is dying.

and you think it will be any easier out there? I have 3 jobs this week thanks to a bunch of P***ks from Poland who F***d me off this morning. told the customer to find someone else as i'm not being messed around for days trying to get into first fix!

 

[vulcancontinental]

Don't want you to be under any misaprehension, I'm a paid up southern softy.

I was ill for a long time (overwork) and had to pack up installing and during convelesence took the government's shilling and taught at a college.

It was an eye opener, 2 1/2 days per week is full time education and the support given to the students was worryingly little.

A class of 35would be 15 at the end of the year but two would be excellent. The rest didn't usually come back. There were apprentices but usually working for an uncle or dad or someone close to the family.

I don't think I'd have seen it through such a scheme, I needed someone behind me making sure I wasn't daydreaming.

Where I am most guys are SE when they qualify and if they're good they'll become a competitor or like Agile says, , if they're bad they might steal work form you.