Hanging a heavy chandelier

[Newboy]

Sorry about double post - bad timing on my behalf!

I suspect that you are missing the key part - a bracket to screw onto the joist that you would then hang the eye inside the cup onto.

If you can't devise a homemade solution then you need to either

a) Contact the supplier of the fitting or
b) Start visiting lighting shops/reclamation yards

to find a suitable fitting

to my mind something like this screwed to a joist would be enough to support the relatively light weights you have


http://www.screwfix.com/p/hardware-solutions-hook-on-plate-zinc-plated-m6/92396

 

[riveralt]

What's at the top of the tube in your second picture?

Here's a pic

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• Yukster
• 20 Oct 2013
• 1

Then you will need a good quality screw hook. Like here:
Unfortunately most seem to stop at 5Kg and are expensive.
http://www.kingschandeliers.co.uk/chandelier-parts-and-accessories/9

Newboys link is a good alternative.

 

[JohnW2]

What's at the top of the tube in your second picture?

Here's a pic...

If that ring at the top of the tube is rigidly attached to (i.e. screwed into, or similar), the tube, I would think that you'd be able to hang the fitting by that ring from a suitable hook firmly screwed into a joist.

Kind Regards, John

 

[Yukster]

to my mind something like this screwed to a joist would be enough to support the relatively light weights you have


http://www.screwfix.com/p/hardware-solutions-hook-on-plate-zinc-plated-m6/92396[/QUOTE]
It looks like this solution fits the bill if it takes a 10kg load. The screwfix website doesn't specify how much weight the hook can take

 

[JohnW2]

Then you will need a good quality screw hook. Like here:
Unfortunately most seem to stop at 5Kg and are expensive.
http://www.kingschandeliers.co.uk/chandelier-parts-and-accessories/9[/QUOTE]
I'm not surely one necessarily needs anything as fancy (and expensive) as that. I would have thought that any decent-sized common-or-garden hook screwed into the joist would easily carry 10kg (or, alternatively, perhaps one with a plate like that linked by newboy - although I'd personally prefer to have the hook itself screwing into the ceiling). I think the low (5kg) limit of many of the 'fancy' ones is that they are attached to the ceiling by rather pathetic little screws.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

It looks like this solution fits the bill if it takes a 10kg load. The screwfix website doesn't specify how much weight the hook can take

I don't think they could really specify. The hook/fitting itself is clearly capable of supporting a lot more than 10kg. Whether, in use, it would support a 10kg load satisfactory will therefore be entirely dependent upon how it is attached to ceiling joist (and,of course, the condition of the joist!).

Kind Regards, John

 

[cajar]

Isn't it better to have the load supported by four screws of which length and thread you can determine yourself, than the single thread of a self tapping hook?

 

[JohnW2]

Isn't it better to have the load supported by four screws of which length and thread you can determine yourself, than the single thread of a self tapping hook?

Possibly - it's swings and roundabouts. It really depends upon what size screws one can get through the holes in the plate (without drilling the holes bigger!) - one decent-sized thread could be better than four much smaller (and also 'self-tapping') ones. In any event, I think we're maybe getting over-excited - 10kg is not asking much of almost any type of reasonable attachment to wood - even a reasonable length smooth nail would probably not pull out with 10kg!

Kind Regards, John

 

[riveralt]

to my mind something like this screwed to a joist would be enough to support the relatively light weights you have
http://www.screwfix.com/p/hardware-solutions-hook-on-plate-zinc-plated-m6/92396[/QUOTE]
I have fitted this product before and it will hold a very heavy load and certainly a 10kg chandelier.
However, be aware that it is 65mm² square and much bigger than the picture shows - you will need to measure the inside of the cup to ensure it fits.
Wickes do one slightly smaller :
http://www.wickes.co.uk/hook-on-plate-galvanised-50x50mm/invt/188187/

 

[securespark]

There's a couple of choices:

Here's a fairly standard hook manufacturers sell with fittings. Whether it is 10kg rated, I'm not sure, but you could find out.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390681869048

Here's a similar thing, but threaded, so the rod goes into the bracket.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390678727589

 

[JohnW2]

I have fitted this product before and it will hold a very heavy load and certainly a 10kg chandelier. However, be aware that it is 65mm² square and much bigger than the picture shows - you will need to measure the inside of the cup to ensure it fits. ... Wickes do one slightly smaller : ...

My main concern with either of these plate-attached hooks is that ceiling joists are often (probably usually, these days!) only around 2"/50mm wide. Without adding additional wood to the joist (which would make it into a much bigger and more disruptive job), I would assume that one wouldn't be able to get the four screws of a 65mm x 65mm into such a joist, and that even with the Wickes' 50mm x 50mm one, positioning would be very critical and, even then, all the screws would probably be perilously close to the edge of the joist.

Kind Regards, John

 

[DetlefSchmitz]

Normal engineering practice would be to stick in the hook, then hang a load twice the required load on this hook. If it holds then the hook is good to go.

Multiple bricks or engineering blocks are good.

(To my surprise a single layer of duck tape will support a whole engineering block.)

 

[EFLImpudence]

(To my surprise a single layer of duck tape will support a whole engineering block.)

Oh. You need to watch Mythbusters.

 

[DetlefSchmitz]

I will if I find it.

 

[JohnW2]

Normal engineering practice would be to stick in the hook, then hang a load twice the required load on this hook. If it holds then the hook is good to go.

Indeed, and simple hook with a 6mm (or probably even 4mm) thread of reasonable length, screwed into softwood, will almost certainly show itself to be capable of supporting many dozens of kg.

Kind Regards, John