Installing/plumbing a dishwasher.

[cherryblossom123]

Hi, I am looking to get a dishwasher installed.

There is no space for it currently so going to have a carpenter/kitchen joiner come and remove some of the built in drawers to make space for it.

The space will be here in blue so hoping to get the dishwasher installed there (is this okay, given the hob is on the next set of drawers over?). The kitchen sink is on the right hand side, and that is where the washing machine (far right) is also connected into. I would imagine that the pipes for the dishwasher would be able to go where I've drawn in red and also the power along the same path.

I've got a few questions:

1) Does this sound reasonable and relatively easy to do? Especially given the distance between the proposed dishwasher location and the sink is 2-3 metres, one plumber I messaged said it is too far from the waste for it to go there, something to do with the pressure?!

2) In terms of putting the pipes and power, is this something the fitters would be able to do when I buy the dishwasher from any major retailer? Or is it more complicated and needing a plumber? Keep in mind there is no existing dishwasher in the ktichen.

and finally

3) for the power there is only one socket at the moment that is used by the washing machine, is it okay to just use a double adapter to plug both dishwasher and washing machine into the same socket? or will it need an electrician come to install it as a double socket itself?

Here are photos of under the sink (where I think the plumbing and power for the dishwasher would need to go), and the single socket.

Ideally not looking to get 3 trades out if possible as it is proving challenging to get people out for small work like this.

Thanks all.

 

[blup]

Putting a side panel between the cooker and dw should reduce heat transfer but check manufacturer’s instructions on recommended gap between appliances. Extension leads are prone to fail under high loads so best to put a double docket in. You will need to extend the dw cable and put a new plug on, which might void the warranty if applicable. The waste length is probably within limits provided there is space behind the cabinets /units to thread it through with a sufficient fall to the sink waste. Again check manufacturer instructions. The dw installer won’t do these jobs. A suitable handyman could do all of them including advice on the worktop adaptations

 

[endecotp]

It looks as if your washing machine waste doesn’t go through a trap; is that true?

The delivery people won’t do any of this for you; what they call installation is “connecting the pipes and plugging in”.

If you’re not going to do this yourself, try to find a competent plumber.

 

[cherryblossom123]

Putting a side panel between the cooker and dw should reduce heat transfer but check manufacturer’s instructions on recommended gap between appliances. Extension leads are prone to fail under high loads so best to put a double docket in. You will need to extend the dw cable and put a new plug on, which might void the warranty if applicable. The waste length is probably within limits provided there is space behind the cabinets /units to thread it through with a sufficient fall to the sink waste. Again check manufacturer instructions. The dw installer won’t do these jobs. A suitable handyman could do all of them including advice on the worktop adaptations

Okay so I don't need to get a plumber/electrician/joiner separately then? Just a general handyman would be able to do all of this? Not sure I will have room for a side panel as it is a 60cm wide one and the dishwashers are the same width.

I've no idea how to extend the plug, is there not an option to have one with a longer cable? Surely this should be achievable in some way? I don't mind paying just not sure who to call or what I'm asking for. The few plumbers I've contacted won't touch the drawers or the electrics.

It looks as if your washing machine waste doesn’t go through a trap; is that true?

The delivery people won’t do any of this for you; what they call installation is “connecting the pipes and plugging in”.

If you’re not going to do this yourself, try to find a competent plumber.

Not sure what a trap is to be honest. The few plumbers I've rang have said they won't touch the electrics or the drawers so not sure the best way to proceed. Can I get a handyman to do everything here? Or is it best to get a certified electrician out to make it a double socket, then a plumber for the wiring, then someone to come and remove the drawers? The only thing I'm not sure then though is how to make the power and other cables for the dishwasher long enough to reach the socket, unless I have a new socket put in... but even so then there is still a question of the waste length pipe.

Thanks both.

 

[cherryblossom123]

Fully aware I don't have the skills needed to tackle this myself and not attempting to do so, just want to check if it is something that would be reasonable for a handyman to come and do in a couple of hours or if I need to get several different experts in!

Thanks.

 

[CountryFan]

Not sure what a trap is to be honest.

To prevent smells entering the property etc. Aka a u-bend. Your kitchen sink has one but washing machine doesn’t appear to. For what you are proposing, a socket needs to be there/in vicinity, available plumbing, ideally extended pipework rather than long hose and available waste - either knock out a new hole or extend the existing, which might prove difficult. Anywhere else it could be placed?

 

[endecotp]

The few plumbers I've rang have said they won't touch the electrics or the drawers

Wouldn’t it be great if they had a mate who could do that part?

Ask your friends / neighbours if they can recommend anyone.

 

[blup]

Okay so I don't need to get a plumber/electrician/joiner separately then? Just a general handyman would be able to do all of this?

It’s about getting a handyman with the right skill sets, so google if you can’t get a recommendation. Some handymen struggle putting flat pack together, others have multi trade skills.

Not sure I will have room for a side panel as it is a 60cm wide one and the dishwashers are the same width.

You can possibly get away with it if there is no oven beneath the hob, but you need to check the MI’s for both appliances

I've no idea how to extend the plug, is there not an option to have one with a longer cable? Surely this should be achievable in some way? I don't mind paying just not sure who to call or what I'm asking for. The few plumbers I've contacted won't touch the drawers or the electrics.

A sparkie or suitably experienced handyman could rewire the dw using heat resistant cable if the appropriate size.

 

[Hugh Jaleak]

The Plumber was right regarding drainage, the Drain hose needs to rise up from where it leaves the machine then drop back down to the discharge point. Having a long hose run trailing along under the Cupboards, then up to the discharge point is not going to work, the dirty water will drain back into the machine. Existing drain setup for the Washing Machine isn't ideal, and I would advise needs altering.

Electrics, both machines need their own Socket, and the supply needs checking to ensure the cable supplying the socket will handle two appliances. Washing Machine on a Boil Wash will probably be all one socket can safely supply.