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Don't think he's little!
Has Dianne2 been gossiping again?
Don't think he's little!
Don't think he's little!
Has Dianne2 been gossiping again?
I read the link and noticed some "cherry picking" going on here...
Yes, there certinaly is some cherry picking going on in those costs.
According to the think tank, the cost of smoking is made up of the cost of treating smokers on the NHS (£2.7 billion)
Yes
loss in productivity due to smoking breaks (£2.9 billion)
GET BACK TO WORK SERFS.
Coffee is to be taxed now at 300%, watercoolers are to be removed as they encourage talking, all workers will be sealed in cubicles, talking to other staff members is prohibited.
Härter arbeiten Leibeigenen!
***And on a serious note, this is a cost to employers, don't see how this justifies extra tax to the government, are they going to give this money back to employers as compensation, pull the other one.
increased absenteeism (£2.9 billion)
See above ***
The cost of cleaning up cigarette butts (£342 million)
Yes
The cost of smoking-related fires (£507 million)
Cost to insurance bodies, not to governments, as per ***
and the loss in economic output from the deaths of smokers and passive smokers (£4.1 billion and £713 million respectively).
Funny how they count the deaths of people as economic costs (lost productivity).
They do that for farm animals too, you want to associate yourself with such people.
You to can be a health nazi.
Mention Joe - up he pops.
Then Di.
Haven't you two got homes to go to?
Mention Joe - up he pops.
Then Di.
Haven't you two got homes to go to?
no...........i live in a cardboard box.................and its raining!
This annual cost is still likely to be an underestimate, say the Dr Allender and colleagues, because it does not include indirect costs, such as lost of productivity
Do you really want me to start digging out data about the cost of smoking?
You do alot of assuming I've noticed {snip} I bet you are one of these people, well if you inflict this on yourself I can't see how you can expect to be treated.
Here we go again, "lost productivity", bad cattle BAAAadddd.
Pensioners are no longer productive, the disabled, children, and many people with self inflicted disabilities. should we start considering them a cost to society as they are "not productive", should we start restricting activities or items that may lead to "lost of productivity" Or does this argument only apply to people doing things you and other prod noses disapprove of?
If people wish to smoke, knowing what it causes, it's their decision, I find it rather disgusting that people would try to justify against it because it means they won't be paying as much tax.
To justify banning/controlling it because it will stop them being "productive", people are not cattle.
Yes please, show me the costs to the state healthcare system, as it is the state that taxes it, not costs to employers, or costs to insurance, and certainly not "costs" in "lost productivity", people are not cattle!
You will also have to show the savings, savings in state pensions no longer being paid out, or the cost of old age care no longer being required.
Because you do want to present a balance case yes?
I don't, and haven't ever been a smoker.
But I can see when people are simply being discriminatory.
No we don't go again because if you would care to read the article you will see that productivity isn't factored into the equation, it was mentioned at the very last para of the article.
the issue is that people who have the full facts in front of them carry on smoking when it causes a massive cost on our NHS due to health problems that are "self inflicted"
The issue isn't that people are or become unproductive
The real cost is not money it's lives, the lives of the smoker who drains the NHS of needed cash that could goto saving children etc Money could be better spent if only....
You have a balance but you ignore the facts. So you assume everyone treated on the NHS for smoke related illness are of pention age?
AAron. I guess you would want to see heroin and crack cocaine, crystal meth and the like freely available?
AAron. I guess you would want to see heroin and crack cocaine, crystal meth and the like freely available?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization
http://norml.org/news/2009/11/12/dutch-marijuana-use-lower-than-european-average-study-says
"According to the 2009 annual report, entitled "The State of the Drugs Problem in Europe," among adults in the Netherlands, 5.4 percent are cannabis users, compared with the European average of 6.8 percent."
(Netherlands = cannabis legal)
AAron. I guess you would want to see heroin and crack cocaine, crystal meth and the like freely available?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization
http://norml.org/news/2009/11/12/dutch-marijuana-use-lower-than-european-average-study-says
"According to the 2009 annual report, entitled "The State of the Drugs Problem in Europe," among adults in the Netherlands, 5.4 percent are cannabis users, compared with the European average of 6.8 percent."
(Netherlands = cannabis legal)