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of disloyal sitting MP's that may well get de-selected ? as the cobinistas take over the local parties

Talk (?) of up to 50 MP's ??

The lunatics may well be taking over the asylum ?

Dis-loyal ?? wonder how many times corbyn voted against a labour government ??
 
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Diane Abbott seems to have made a remarkable recovery from her "diabetes" !
 
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The hard left will always seek to take over the Labour party, as they know that they could never have a chance on their own. But it begs the question of exactly who the Labour party is, or should be. Communism and Marxism are dirty words, but that's essentially what they are, so they need to cloak themselves in a veneer of respectability to hide their intentions. Corbyn voted against his party 500 times, and the nature of the Labour party allowed him to, so yes, it's hypocritical for those defying him to be thretened with deselection now, but Corbyn needs the hard left, or his authority would soon dissapate.

The hard left took over Luciana Bergers constituancy, and then sent her a letter threatening her with deselection if she didn't support Corbyn, and she just rolled over and put out a press release showing her support rather than telling them where to go. The Lib dems came about because the then Labour moderates jumped ship, but the current lot don't have the guts to either stand up to the left, or to move out, so what hope do the ordinary Labour voters have, yet the'd still vote for a party that is becoming extremely toxic.
 
I don't understand why people who do not support the Labour party complain that it is in a mess if, indeed, it is. Surely they should be happy it is that way.

Much as I am happy the Conservatives, due to their two misplaced voting exercises, are in a worse position than they were and a bit of a shambles - but I am not going to complain about it - apart from the detrimental effect for the country.

The Labour party was formed by the unions as a socialist party and a few people at the general election apparently liked the socialist policies.
Everyone seems to like the NHS but they wouldn't have it if not for the Labour Party.

That Blair turned it into a new nearly conservative party and would have done anything to win is not exactly principled.
I'll say and do anything you want me to if you vote for me is hardly the best policy.
 
yep imho corbyn represents exactly what the Labour party came about for.

The trouble is Corbyn has always been a protester ? ounce he gets into power (if) then reality will dawn on him
 
That Blair turned it into a new nearly conservative party and would have done anything to win is not exactly principled.
I'll say and do anything you want me to if you vote for me is hardly the best policy.

But Blair showed that the country wanted middle of the road policies, not socialist ones any longer. But he was the most direputable politicin ever, and I don;t think he'll like his place in history.

Every Government needs a strong opposition, but it's denegrated into petty politics, and every MP now says what they think gets them across in the best manner, and worst of all, I think they reckon it's okay to lie through their teeth as well. They will do, say, and promise whatever they have to to, just to get into power, because the majority don't give a damn about who they are supposed to represent.

Labour didn't invent the NHS, it was already being proposed by the conservatives, and would have come into being without Labour; they just got the credit. But Labour insessant target driven ideals, just balloned the number of managers, and gave the guys at the top the immesurable power. It's the modeerate who are worried about the rise of the left in the labour party, because we know from experience, that they are idealists with little experience of how to run the country, and everntually, will ruin it. Remember the letter they left, "sorry, there's no money left", but because they promises things to the electorate, everyone forgets that our kids have to pay every politicians inneptitude.

yep imho corbyn represents exactly what the Labour party came about for

You could well be right Transam, but society has moved on, and we aren't in the same place as when the party was formed, so why can't they progress as well.
 
But Blair showed that the country wanted middle of the road policies, not socialist ones any longer. But he was the most direputable politicin ever, and I don;t think he'll like his place in history.
He won three elections.

Every Government needs a strong opposition, but it's denegrated into petty politics, and every MP now says what they think gets them across in the best manner, and worst of all, I think they reckon it's okay to lie through their teeth as well. They will do, say, and promise whatever they have to to, just to get into power, because the majority don't give a damn about who they are supposed to represent.
Funny that lying in Parliament is allowed but calling a member a liar is not.

Labour didn't invent the NHS, it was already being proposed by the conservatives, and would have come into being without Labour;
I thought they opposed it. I'm sure they did.

But Labour insessant target driven ideals, just balloned the number of managers, and gave the guys at the top the immesurable power.
Typical British bad management.

It's the modeerate who are worried about the rise of the left in the labour party, because we know from experience, that they are idealists with little experience of how to run the country, and everntually, will ruin it.
Surely they won't win an election or are you worried that they will? I thought democracy was sacrosanct lately.
Anyway, how do you know? There has never been a socialist government.

Remember the letter they left, "sorry, there's no money left", but because they promises things to the electorate, everyone forgets that our kids have to pay every politicians inneptitude.
Wasn't that Blair and Brown? Isn't that what you are promoting as preferable to socialism?
There was of course the crash caused by the banks.



You could well be right Transam, but society has moved on, and we aren't in the same place as when the party was formed, so why can't they progress as well.
Why would you want to progress from better conditions for all?
 
I don't think there is a single MP that has any real business experience, but the Tories have more of a business model to their policies; Labour unfortunately, appeal to those less well off, and make out anyone who strives to better themselves, as being greedy and unfair to their poorer brethern. If the Labour party were to push the less well off to better themselves, they would no longer be the Labour party any longer; by their very nature, they encourage the less well off to stay there. The only way their policies work, is to tax and spend, and that doesn't push the country forward, it just strives to pull everything downwards. The Tories on the other hand, innadvertantly, don't bother to reign in the excess that happen on their watch, partially because the more someone earns, the more tax they pay. I think Lamont was the last chancellor that brought inovative fiiscal policies, but Brown, Osbourne and Hammond are just tinkerering around the edges, either afraid to make radical changes because they'll get jumped on by the other side, or too stupid to know how to do their job properly.

The banks caused the crash, but Brown helped it by giving them a light touch regulation, and because they'd been spending so much, there was no buffer to cushion the effects of the crash, and I don't think they should have bailed the banks out.

And Blair only won 3 elections because he'd moved the party to the centre.

Yes, I will admit to being afraid of Labour getting back into power. In Scotland, university education is free, but they restrict the number that can go. In this way, they can afford to educate the best. Brown felt that at least 50% of students should be able to go to university, but failed to realise that their education had to be paid for at some time in the future, and fees went to £3K, then to £9K, and might reach £13.5K, and over 75% of student loans will get wiped off, leaving those of us who pay tax, to pick up the bill. If you cut down the number of student to 25% rather than 50%, then you could raise the pay cap for 1% to 3%, so Browns generous suggestion that everyone is entitled to a university education, is having a knock on effect of the nurses and everyone else in government, so yes, I'm afraid that labour may get in to power because I hate to think of the next mess they are going to leave to our children.

All the political parties agrees on the principle of the NHS, and it was the charities and the Healthcare insurance provider and the doctors themselves who opposed it. Doctors worked for themselves and didn't want to become employees, the insuance companies saw their business models going down the pan, and the hospitals and consultants didn't want to come under the control of the NHS either, so consultants were allowed to carry on doing private work in order to get their cooperation. The NHS only came into being under Labour, because they were in power at the time, not because of them, because all the parties had already come together to agree on what needed doing to get the country going after the war.
 
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To be fair imho corbyn is a decent bloke who has stuck to his beliefs & principles all his political carreer

his goal/policies are imho noble & good . min wage ,affordable housing ,care for the elderly, no wars /conflict, nuclear free world, nhs spending ,

power to the people.

but these goals are from a protester , sad as it maybe ?? when or if he achieves power reality will be forced on him by the system ???
 
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