Level playing field, we want to fish in your waters ....Are they nuts ?

[fillyboy]

And in the case of No Deal, UK drivers will not be allowed to drive in EU, and no doubt, in yet another act of self-inflicted injury disguised as reciprocal action, EU drivers will not be allowed to drive in UK.
It beggars belief.

It doesn't beggar belief because it's a lie.

You can deny it all you like, but it is what it is.
Clearly, your avatar suits you.

your long winded response says nothing to disprove the fact you're a liar.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

your long winded response says nothing to disprove the fact you're a liar.

Your one line denial proves that you'll deny the obvious, and resort to silly insults because that's all you have left.

 

[fillyboy]

And in the case of No Deal, UK drivers will not be allowed to drive in EU, and no doubt, in yet another act of self-inflicted injury disguised as reciprocal action, EU drivers will not be allowed to drive in UK.

At least I'm not resorting to lies.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

At least I'm not resorting to lies.

I would ask you to prove your allegation, but if you could, you would already have done so.
So your allegation is baseless. It's yet another Brexit lie, to add to all those others.

Please do explain how the EU will allow UK drivers to drive in EU, unless they are prepared to work under EU rules.

 

[Notch7]

Filyboy is looking forward to a great American deal:

 

[fillyboy]

I expect truck drivers may have to comply with 8 hours of driving per day rather than 9 hours whilst in europe and I know there are arguments surrounding cabotage for truckers which need to be worked on.
But all that is a far cry from:

And in the case of No Deal, UK drivers will not be allowed to drive in EU, and no doubt, in yet another act of self-inflicted injury disguised as reciprocal action, EU drivers will not be allowed to drive in UK.
It beggars belief.

Which, is quite clearly a lie.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I expect truck drivers may have to comply with 8 hours of driving per day rather than 9 hours whilst in europe and I know there are arguments surrounding cabotage for truckers which need to be worked on.
But all that is a far cry from:

And in the case of No Deal, UK drivers will not be allowed to drive in EU, and no doubt, in yet another act of self-inflicted injury disguised as reciprocal action, EU drivers will not be allowed to drive in UK.
It beggars belief.

Which, is quite clearly a lie.

Then why doesn't David Frost agree to comply with EU rules on drivers hours? Why is it a sticking point?
Your bland agreement that drivers will abide by EU rules does not make sense in the light of UK's refusal to do so.

Over transport rights, Barnier has criticised London for wanting certain rules such as driving time and rest periods to be waived for British lorry-drivers while on European roads, but for access to be the same as that granted to workers from EU member states.

But during the pre-talks period Johnson, other ministers and officials, all highlighted the UK's stance: that being able to diverge from EU rules and standards was the essence of Brexit and the UK’s “new footing as an independent sovereign nation”.
https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/11/brexit-draft-deal-first-of-many-hurdles-to-a-smooth-exit
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Therefore, if you want Brexit, you must be able to diverge from EU rules, and if you do diverge you will not be allowed to operate in EU.

Now please do explain which part do you think is a lie.

 

[Notch7]

Which, is quite clearly a lie.

It clearly is not a lie

It is 100% correct:

"To provide cargo road transport services between European Union countries or entirely within one European Union country, a firm requires a ‘Community Licence’ issued by an EU Member State. On Brexit Day 1, Community Licences issued by the United Kingdom will not be accepted by the EU. Moreover, Community Licences are issued only to firms registered in the country issuing the licence, so UK firms may not be able to obtain a new licence unless they re-establish within the EU-27."

Another brexiteers bluff bites the dust

 

[Notch7]

Fillyboy still believes in a cake and eat it deal

surely after 4 years brexiteers would start to learn: you cant have access to the Single Market unless you follow the rules.

SIMPLES

 

[fillyboy]

Now please do explain which part do you think is a lie.

This part:

And in the case of No Deal, UK drivers will not be allowed to drive in EU, and no doubt, in yet another act of self-inflicted injury disguised as reciprocal action, EU drivers will not be allowed to drive in UK.
It beggars belief.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I expect truck drivers may have to comply with 8 hours of driving per day rather than 9 hours whilst in europe and I know there are arguments surrounding cabotage for truckers which need to be worked on.
But all that is a far cry from:

And in the case of No Deal, UK drivers will not be allowed to drive in EU, and no doubt, in yet another act of self-inflicted injury disguised as reciprocal action, EU drivers will not be allowed to drive in UK.
It beggars belief.

Which, is quite clearly a lie.

This part:

And in the case of No Deal, UK drivers will not be allowed to drive in EU, and no doubt, in yet another act of self-inflicted injury disguised as reciprocal action, EU drivers will not be allowed to drive in UK.
It beggars belief.

If cabotage for truck drivers need to be worked on, but in the end there is no deal, then there is no cabotage applicable.
Therefore operating licences will not be approved, therefore UK drivers will not be allowed to operate in EU.

 

[Notch7]

This part:

is not a lie, your ignorance is the problem

why do brexiteers argue against facts?



No-Deal Brexit Potential Problems For Hauliers

1. Shortages

From day one of Brexit, the Highways Agency predict 14 days of road chaos with delays and congestion inevitable at borders and ports. With this, shortages are likely to affect almost every organisation that relies on imports. This means hospitals, shops and businesses face the threat of empty shelves.

1. Invalid Driving Licences

In a no-deal scenario, UK driving licence will no longer be valid in the EU, unless it is with an International Driving Permit. For hauliers, this becomes a vast administrative undertaking. Furthermore, Pauline Bastidon, Head of European Policy at FTA says that only 1,224 permits every year are expected to be made available to hauliers. This could dramatically limit transport across Europe.

1. Delays

With the requirement for checking shipments at customs, delays are inevitable. However, research by the Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply (CIPS) found that just half an hour of UK customs delays has the potential to bankrupt around 10% of firms. Movement grinding to a halt isn’t just an inconvenience and frustration, but an economic nightmare for firms too.

1. Certificate of Professional Competence

Drivers, transport operators and managers must have a Certificate of Professional Competence in order to work in the EU. Previously, this certificate was more accessible to acquire as they can be issued in the UK. However, from Brexit, drivers will need their certification to be issued from an EU country to continue working in the EU. A driver breaking these rules would potentially be voiding their vehicle insurance, which is a no-go for hauliers.

1. Permanent Establishment

A no-deal Brexit will mean that UK firms, who want to continue operating in the EU will need a ‘Permanent Establishment’ in an EU member state. Those without a ‘Permanent Establishment’ will no longer be able to deliver goods within the EU.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

And that covers driving through EU to non-EU countries.

Does the UK have more HGV drivers than fisherpeople?

Edited, in case anyone complains.

 

[fillyboy]

If cabotage for truck drivers need to be worked on, but in the end there is no deal, then there is no cabotage applicable.
Therefore operating licences will not be approved, therefore UK drivers will not be allowed to operate in EU.

Cabotage simply refers to operating outside of the main journey, ie, under current rules, truck drivers can make additional stops to pick up return loads, or even do domestic deliveries on the return home. That may end if there is no agreement but it wont stop UK lorries operating in the eu, they may need a different licence for example but they will still operate.

Incidentally EU lorries carry out seven times more cabotage in the UK than UK lorries do in the EU.

As a frenchie you'll be aware that cabotage is something France struggles with anyway, French truckers are none too happy being undercut by Polish and Romanian truckers.

If cabotage for truck drivers need to be worked on, but in the end there is no deal, then there is no cabotage applicable.
Therefore operating licences will not be approved, therefore UK drivers will not be allowed to operate in EU.

Rubbish, see The 1968 Vienna convention.

Your nose must be 3 feet long by now Pinnochio.

 

[fillyboy]

And that covers driving through EU to non-EU countries.

That's the Rep of Ireland finished then.