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Most of the guns used in mass shootings in the USA were legally held weapons,the Dunblane and Hungerford massacres in the UK were also carried out with legally held guns.
Criminals use illegal guns as a tool of their trade and only use them against their rivals or in the commission of a crime.
People with a fascination with firearms are usually mentally disturbed loners ,there seems to be a correlation between extreme right wing nutters and obsessions with firearms.
 
Most of the guns used in mass shootings in the USA were legally held weapons,the Dunblane and Hungerford massacres in the UK were also carried out with legally held guns.
Criminals use illegal guns as a tool of their trade and only use them against their rivals or in the commission of a crime.
People with a fascination with firearms are usually mentally disturbed loners ,there seems to be a correlation between extreme right wing nutters and obsessions with firearms.

Ah but gun ownership in the UK hasn't disappeared.

Also, can you prove that or is that your best guess?

Are farmers right wing nutters? Or is it just a coincidence they typically have a keen collection of fire arms?
 
Farmers don't usually carry high velocity automatic rifles or semi automatic pistols.
The Hungerford massacre was carried out by a loner who lived with his mum and was allowed to keep an AK-47 rifle and a M1 carbine under licence, the Dunblane killer had a legally held semi automatic pistol, he was also an oddball with no criminal record.
Why would anyone want to possess these type of weopons if they have no practical use for them.
 
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50% of guns in America are owned by 3% of the population.

There are over 300 million guns in America, how many nobody knows.

Sadly separating guns from people would be a colossal task. And impossible politically. It is deeply ingrained in the American culture. Being fed a diet of 'more guns are necessary for less gun violence' doesnt help.

Very tight gun controls would mean less deaths.


This is often deaths occur:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths
 
Why would anyone want to possess these type of weopons if they have no practical use for them.

To protect yourself from eventual government tyranny. To protect yourself from the police.
 
50% of guns in America are owned by 3% of the population.

There are over 300 million guns in America, how many nobody knows.

Sadly separating guns from people would be a colossal task. And impossible politically. It is deeply ingrained in the American culture. Being fed a diet of 'more guns are necessary for less gun violence' doesnt help.

Very tight gun controls would mean less deaths.


This is often deaths occur:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths

Statistically erroneous. Even the FBIs own statistics confirm that the majority of gun crime occurs in gun free zones. States that allow conseal and carry are some of the safest in the country.
 
Statistically erroneous. Even the FBIs own statistics confirm that the majority of gun crime occurs in gun free zones. States that allow conseal and carry are some of the safest in the country.
Au contraire...

linky

"Research by the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence (from official figures) underlines that the tragedy of gun violence and suicides is not spread randomly across the country, but is concentrated precisely in those places where gun ownership is most prevalent and gun laws at their loosest."
 
Au contraire...

linky

"Research by the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence (from official figures) underlines that the tragedy of gun violence and suicides is not spread randomly across the country, but is concentrated precisely in those places where gun ownership is most prevalent and gun laws at their loosest."

''The educational fund to stop gun violence''. - that's bound to be impartial isn't it you eejit.

https://efsgv.org/staff/

What a degenerate bunch of animals. Thanks for bringing this despicable organisation to my attention. Any organisation that pushes the abolition of the basic rights of people to self defence is an enemy of the people. This particular organisation appears to be a hive of neo-liberal filth.
 
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Why would anyone want to possess these type of weopons if they have no practical use for them.

Many reasons. I know and know of people who have weapons of this calibre. Some are enthusiasts, some like them for the threat/menace, some see it as a thing of power they have over others, lots just like them because it's a rare item to possess and they're interested, especially if they're of historic interest.

My late-great-uncle had a bolt-action rifle (possible a Ruger??) which he used to fire at pigeons who landed in his garden. This was on the outskirts of Derby and he certainly didn't have a license -- I think he inherited it. Probably eccentric but totally not "mentally disturbed".
 
To protect yourself from eventual government tyranny. To protect yourself from the police.

It does the opposite of protect yourself from the police.

Because guns are prevalent in the US, police have to assume that any interaction with the public is that a person will be carrying a gun. Hence why if you run a light in America, its likely you will be made to get out of the car with your hands above your head.
 
It does the opposite of protect yourself from the police.

Because guns are prevalent in the US, police have to assume that any interaction with the public is that a person will be carrying a gun. Hence why if you run a light in America, its likely you will be made to get out of the car with your hands above your head.

It's also because illegal migrants flood into the country over the border from South America. Many of them criminal migrants with a history of extreme violence, the sort of filth Obama welcomed with open arms, do you think criminals care about gun laws ?

Your other comments about police interaction with the public during routine traffic stops - that's the price of a free society.
 
Even the FBIs own statistics confirm that the majority of gun crime occurs in gun free zones. States that allow conseal and carry are some of the safest in the country.

the majority of gun cromes do not occur in gun free zones, that research was done by the pro gun lobby.

Here is a non partisan view:
Corcoran said, "Most of these mass shootings take place in arenas where you're not allowed to have a concealed weapons permit."

Corcoran cites research by an advocate for gun rights who used a strict definition to define places where guns were not allowed. In reality, there are places where concealed weapons are permitted, places where police or security officers openly carry weapons, and places where concealed weapons are not permitted. Additionally, there are different ways to define mass shootings.

We found that advocates for more gun control analyzed the data and reached different conclusions.

Our assessment is that it is difficult to draw broad conclusions about the motivations of the perpetrators of mass shootings or whether they are influenced by gun restrictions. We rate Corcoran’s statement Half True.

https://www.politifact.com/florida/...do-most-mass-shootings-happen-gun-free-zones/
 
Many of them criminal migrants with a history of extreme violence
Im not clear if that is a proven fact or not.

Clearly some migrants are criminals, some are dangerous. We do need however to be clear whether illegal immigration is used as a scapegoat for crime, or whether there really is a major problem.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/whos-really-crossing-us-border-and-why-theyre-coming
Despite what the president says, the situation at the border is much more nuanced. There’s not a flood of people racing across the border. The majority of migrants aren’t dangerous criminals. Many are women and families—and many are fleeing gang violence rather than seeking to spread that violence farther north.

Your other comments about police interaction with the public during routine traffic stops - that's the price of a free society.

Its a confusing argument to say it only possible to be a free society if there is easy access to dangerous weapons.

Guns are dangerous, so a society without them is more free, not less.
 
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