outside socket

[skybluescooby]

Hi All,
Im thinking of putting an external socket on my conservatory wall, fed from the double socket inside the conservatory.

Question is, Without having to chisel out a new hole in the wall for the SFU is there a product that reduces the in situ double socket down to a single socket with an SFU.
Need to be able to turn the external socket off to stop lil fingers opening it etc

If there is can you supply a link as I cant seem to locate any,plus is it straight forward enough to connect ?

Cheers

 

[Spark123]

I don't think there is anything on the market with a socket and a switch in the same unit unless you want to go for a CCU
Adding an outdoor socket is notifiable under part p.

 

[ColJack]

12mm hole through wall, 1.5mm flex, plug on the end, wired into the external socket.. job done..

still notifiabe though..

 

[electronicsuk]

12mm hole through wall, 1.5mm flex, plug on the end, wired into the external socket.. job done..

still notifiabe though..

Indeed notifiable, although I expect you would be laughed at if you did actually try to notify it.

 

[ColJack]

you and I know that, but we're still obligated to make sure the OP knows it's notifiable.. it's up to them if they want to notify it or not..

 

[riveralt]

12mm hole through wall, 1.5mm flex, plug on the end, wired into the external socket.. job done..

still notifiabe though..

Not sure Conservatories are covered by Part P when attached to a dwelling.

 

[ColJack]

you are joking right?

1. part P applies to any electrical work done in a building or part thereof that is, supplies a feed to, or derives a feed from a dwelling.
2. Notifiable work includes special installatons, of which outside lighting and power are one.

 

[riveralt]

you are joking right?

1. part P applies to any electrical work done in a building or part thereof that is, supplies a feed to, or derives a feed from a dwelling.
2. Notifiable work includes special installatons, of which outside lighting and power are one.

I kid you not.

Planning Portal suggests otherwise - Conservatories are generally excempt from the building regulations.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/england/public/buildingwork/projects/workcommonconservatory/

 

[ncoups]

is it not the case that if the cabling goes straight into the accessory without any exposed cable, its not notifiable?

 

[ColJack]

read it again..

Conservatories are normally exempt from building regulations when:

1.They are built at ground level and are less than 30 square metres in floor area
2.At least half of the new wall and three quarters of the roof is either glazed or translucent material
3.The conservatory is separated from the house by external quality door(s).
4.Glazing and any fixed electrical installations comply with the applicable building regulations requirements (see below).

so while the actual building of it may be exempt, the windows and electrics still need to comply with Part P and any notifiable electrical work needs to be notified..
outside socket isn't IN the conservatory anyway so it's STILL notifiable..

 

[ColJack]

is it not the case that if the cabling goes straight into the accessory without any exposed cable, its not notifiable?

cut and paste from the ACTUAL statutory instrument, NOT the guidance

“special installation” means an electric floor or ceiling heating system, an outdoor lighting or electric power installation, an electricity generator, or an extra-low voltage lighting system which is not a pre-assembled lighting set bearing the CE marking referred to in regulation 9 of the Electrical Equipment (Safety) Regulations 1994;

it makes no mention of "exposed cable", "connections" or anything else that you think makes outdoor sockets or lights not notifiable..

if it's a socket or light and it's outdoors, it's intallation is notifiable..

 

[bhm1712]

dual accessory box.....

you can then buy a single 13amp outlet, and a single FCU and fir them both to the dual accesory box which is the same size as a dual gang back box

you can then have this as the FCU for the external socket, however it will require replacing the existing dual gang back box

 

[flameport]

is there a product that reduces the in situ double socket down to a single socket with an SFU.

No. The only standard item which comes close is a cooker switch with socket built in, which although could probably be used, would look terrible.

Does the outside socket actually need to be switched anyway? Small fingers getting in won't be any different from any other socket in the house - you can't get fingers or other objects into the live or neutral holes becuase they all have shutters built in.

 

[riveralt]

read it again..

Conservatories are normally exempt from building regulations when:

1.They are built at ground level and are less than 30 square metres in floor area
2.At least half of the new wall and three quarters of the roof is either glazed or translucent material
3.The conservatory is separated from the house by external quality door(s).
4.Glazing and any fixed electrical installations comply with the applicable building regulations requirements (see below).

so while the actual building of it may be exempt, the windows and electrics still need to comply with Part P and any notifiable electrical work needs to be notified....

So my understanding that extending, say a final ring main or a lighting circuit, from the house to the Conservatory does not need notifying is correct.
Thanks for clarifying that.

outside socket isn't IN the conservatory anyway so it's STILL notifiable..

Agreed.

 

[ColJack]

you can then buy a single 13amp outlet, and a single FCU and fir them both to the dual accesory box which is the same size as a dual gang back box

they are actually about 20-25mm wider than a double socket backbox. so some chasing out to do..