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Panorama BBC1 10July: Is Labour anti-semitic?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Notch7, 9 Jul 2019.

  1. JohnD

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    A very unconvincing analogy.
     
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    Agreed John, more like Goebells eh?
     
  3. JohnD

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    Sillyboy is mad.
     
  4. Notch7

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    You emigrated because of Tony Blair :eek:

    Is that a touch extreme? :ROFLMAO:
     
  5. banjodeano

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    I think that .08% of the membership have been ACCUSED of using antisemitic behaviour, that doesnt sound like a lot to me, it is just being blown out of all proportion to undermine Corbyn by the Blairites, this is just an excuse to trey and get him out
     
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    The elephant in the room is that everyone is afraid to argue with the false definition of anti-semitism which would itself be greeted with cries of anti-semitism.
     
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    . It is. Isn't it.
    What a fool I was. :ROFLMAO::!:
     
  8. fillyboy

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    The elephant in the room is that the socialists, who aren't too bright at the best of times (take ellal and John D as prime examples), have aligned themselves with and sympathised toward the Palestinians, they then find themselves unable to differentiate between Zionists and Jews, so they choose to hate all Jews. Corbyn loves all terrorists wether it be the IRA or the PLO or Hamas, all reason goes out of the window.
     
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    tarring a whole group will always be wrong so labour cannot ever be antisemiitic

    yes some supporting labour can be indirectly or directly be connected to some extent or other but you can never ever cover a whole group with such accusations
    it will only ever be correct to perhaps suggest a fairly small perhaps between 5 to 8 percent or even 1-3 percent are misguided i dont actually know
    but having taken part in an anti natzi march through brixton to brockwell park in herne hill in the 70s i have no time for racists or evil people from any corner
     
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    and you say socialists are too bright.....
     
  11. Notch7

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    Its a lazy argument to blame it on Blairites, that doesnt mean it doesnt exist

    • Corbyn was the chair of an organization that participated in the antisemitic Quds Day.
    • Corbyn has called the antisemitic terrorist organization Hamas "friends" (which he now regrets).
    • Corbyn was a member of multiple antisemitic facebook groups (according to him, he didn't know about this).
    • Corbyn defended an antisemitic mural (he says this was a mistake).
    • The vice-chair of Momentum claimed that Jews were the financiers of the slave trade and was only briefly suspended. She also questioned if there are workable antisemitism definitions and why Jewish schools need security.
    • Naz Shah approved of an image that can be interpreted as questioning Israels right to exist (criticism of Israel is not necessarily antisemitic; applying double standards, demonization, or delegitimization of Israel is; see eg 3d test of antisemitism). She also likened Israel to Nazi Germany and said that "the Jews are rallying", and shared pro-Hamas tweets. Shah was suspended, but later reinstated. She now regrets these incidents and agrees that they were antisemitic.
    • Ken Livingstone. He eg said that Jews will not vote for Labour because they are rich, said that Hitler supported Zionism, etc. Labour did not see the antisemitism. He was suspended, but not expelled.
    • Labour provided a platform to Miko Peled, who thinks that "the Holocaust should be open to debate". At the same event, delegates proposed to expel Jews who are not for the destruction of Israel from the party.
    • While Labour adopted the IHRA definition on antisemitism, they removed examples. They also say that accusations of dual loyalty - a classic antisemitic canard - is not antisemitic.
    • The head of Labour's dispute panel defended a Holocaust denier.
    • local council candidates urged others to "question the Holocaust" and "Rothschilds Jewish mafia", and posted other Rothschild conspiracy theories.

    • Corbyn praised Sheikh Raed Salah, who has previously engaged in blood libel. A member who discussed the "Jewish Question" was expelled, then re-admitted, and only then finally expelled. Another member talked about Jews having "big noses". Oxford's Labour club members shouted "filthy Zionist" at a Jewish student. Corbyn backed a group of a Holocaust denier.
    • A Labour candidate denied the Holocaust.
    • A council member shared an antisemitic video. No action was taken against him.
    • Corbyn linked a massacre to Israel without any evidence.
    • A Labour councillor called Hitler "the greatest man in history".
    • Labour still has 200 open cases of alleged antisemitic conduct
    • The campaign against Antisemitism lists 39 cases of antisemitism from Labour members, including the reaction - or non-reaction - to them from the party. Incidents include among other blaming Jews for false imprisonment, Rothschild conspiracy theories, comparing Israel to Nazi Germany, blood libel, praising of Hitler, etc
     
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    Quite a tirade of Copy and Paste from Notch.



    What city is the capital of Palestine, and considered their spiritual home?

    "Quds Day (Jerusalem Day; Quds is the Arabic name for Jerusalem)

    Critics of Quds Day argue that it is inherently ant-semitic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quds_Day

    "Critics"

    notch, for example.

    Is "Jerusalem Day" inherently anti-Muslim? Or just anti-Palestinian?
     
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    Very easy to differentiate between Zionism and Jews, one is a political ideology and the other is an ethno/religious group.
    You don't have to beJewish to be a Zionist.
    Katy Hopkins and Tommy Robinson claim to be Zionists and they aren't Jewish as far as i know.
     
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    The IHRA definition of anti semitism is political definition and not the classical definition.
    Under the new definition probably every one inthe UK could be guilty of anti semitism at some time or other without even knowing.
    If a similar definition for anti muslim hatred existed then merely criticising any muslim or their religion would render you an anti muslim Racist.
     
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    Exactly.

    Plus, of course as said many times, not all jews are semitic and not all semitic people are jews.
     
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