Sorry, but this is important.

[King Billy]

It is not a complex medical issue.

You again present your opinion, in contradiction to scientific fact, as though your opinion outweighs scientific evidence.

Yes, intersex is widely considered a highly complex issue because it intersects biological, medical, ethical, legal, and social spheres.

The multi-faceted complexity surrounding intersex has allowed prejudiced people to spout their bigoted opinions about transexuals.
None of which is based on scientific fact, but religious ideology., which they deny, despite being unable to provide any scientific evidence to support their beliefs..

 

[King Billy]

Or do you have some biological definition you want to use?

Curiously JohnD and others keep running from that request. They prefer meaningless comments such as "A man is not a woman."

 

[King Billy]

I care not if someone completely transforms themselves, Personally I wouldnt marry or go out with someone who had but I have no problems with anyone that does. The ones I have a problem with are the ones who identify as women and they are not.

You've already stated that menopausal women and those who have had a hysterectomy are no longer women. Do you now argue that they should not be treated as women, in society, not be held in women's prisons, not allowed to access women only spaces, not allwed to compete in women only sports?

 

[morqthana]

Curiously JohnD and others keep running from that request. They prefer meaningless comments such as "A man is not a woman."

The problem is that that attitude does nothing to help with fairly and without prejudice dealing with transgender people.

You've already stated that menopausal women and those who have had a hysterectomy are no longer women. Do you now argue that they should not be treated as women, in society, not be held in women's prisons, not allowed to access women only spaces, not allwed to compete in women only sports?

And HWM's position illustrates the problem.

If people cannot say what criteria they are relying on to make a determination of what makes someone a woman (externally applied gender identity? Self image gender identity? Biological characteristics?) how can we as a society come up with a way to decide what "women" are allowed to do?

 

[morqthana]

It is not a complex medical issue.

To what extent it is a medical issue may be debatable, but it is complex.

Gender identity - Wikipedia

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Gender dysphoria - Wikipedia

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