I disagree but that still leaves several.
Quite - and, as I've been saying, I suspect the author of the book didn't either. My suspicion is that there is probably a list of 'essential test equipment' (and possibly also 'desirable test equipment') elsewhere in the book.I don't class my MFT as one of my tools.
Never heard equipment like that referred to in the context of "tools of the trade"?I don't class my MFT as one of my tools.
Fair enough.I disagree
Oh yes.but that still leaves several.
Never heard equipment like that referred to in the context of "tools of the trade"?I don't class my MFT as one of my tools.
And there's this: http://images.google.com/images?q=electrical+testing+tools
OK - you don't refer to it as a tool.
But it is.
No it isn't.
I did not manipulate the results, therefore my search was not misleading. Of course a different search will produce different answers.Try an image search for electricians tools. The results vary massively from your misleading search with virtually all the results not including a tester.
The majority of an electrician's work does not require a pneumatic concrete breaker either, but that doesn't mean it's not a tool.The majority of an electricians work does not require a tester.
That doesn't mean that the test apparatus is not a tool.A new build house will require a week of two electricians using their tools and just a few hours of one person using the test kit.
The fact that a particular tool is used for less time than other ones does not mean it is not a tool.A rewire is similar. Maybe ten mins of proving dead, a week of using our tools and then a couple of hours testing to commission the job.
And that one man will be using a tool.Get on to a large commercial job and there could be 50 electricians working for months on end doing the installation work with just one man following them doing the testing and commissioning.
They probably wouldn't class a pick and a shovel as part of their tool kit either.The 50 electricians certainly would not class a tester as part of their tool kit.
Did you use a tool for the digging, or your bare hands?I've done a bit of everything to keep busy from commercial contracting on a £17M project, partial rewires, maintenence, extra sockets and lights, burglar alarms, a fire alarm, painting, digging drains,
Does your tool insurance cover your Fluke MFT?You might want to think about tool insurance. You can't work without them. Could you afford to replace them if they were stolen?
Maybe not, in an environment like that.Get on to a large commercial job and there could be 50 electricians working for months on end doing the installation work with just one man following them doing the testing and commissioning. The 50 electricians certainly would not class a tester as part of their tool kit.
No it isn't.
Quite so - and it completely misses the point I made which started all this. The word "tool" is used in so many different ways (including ones which have nothing at all to do with physical objects of any type) that making assertions about definitions and meanings is of no real relevance to the discussion, even if it helps BAS's ego.You've dug up posts from two years ago just to prove that you are never ever wrong. Wow.
As I've implied, I think similarly - as I'm sure, do a good few others. I also accept that some people undoubtedly do think of test equipment as 'tools' - but I suspect that the author of the book is 'one of us', rather than 'one of them'. Even the TLC main index has separate sections for "Tools (and ladders!)" and "Test Meters" (which includes all types of test equipment).If one of my mates rings me up and says "I'm really busy could you work for me for a day. You'll only need your tools" I would not take my MFT as I know it would not be required.
So have you changed your mind in the intervening two years about whether picks, shovels and testers are tools? Or have you always though they are not?You've dug up posts from two years ago just to prove that you are never ever wrong. Wow.
No - all this because of this:All this because someone calls something slightly different to you.
Never heard equipment like that referred to in the context of "tools of the trade"?I don't class my MFT as one of my tools.
And there's this: http://images.google.com/images?q=electrical+testing+tools
OK - you don't refer to it as a tool.
But it is.
No it isn't.
I never said he was - just observing that a tool list in a book written for DIYers ought to include a means of testing for dead.It's not like the author of the book is advising anyone to do electrical work without testing.
Don't worry, I have a perfect grip.Get a grip.
Good grief.The word "tool" is used in so many different ways (including ones which have nothing at all to do with physical objects of any type) that making assertions about definitions and meanings is of no real relevance to the discussion, even if it helps BAS's ego.
Clearly people do categorise tools.My point was that at least some people undoubtedly think of test/measuring equipment as being in a different category from 'tools' (which they regard as things for doing mechanical jobs), and therefore would probably not include such things in a 'list of tools' but, instead, would have them in a list of their own - which is what I suspect has happened (probably in the section/chapter on testing) in the book to which BAS has referred.
FGS - don't be ridiculous.BAS seems to be just 'looking for something to criticise'
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