Test, Track and Trace?

[Harry Bloomfield]

The track and trace element has certainly been a failure, but I don't think it ever had a chance of really working. Dozens of building contractors I know said they won't answer the phone if they don't recognise the number and even if they were contacted there is no way they would isolate. The fact is we are a Nation of individuals who make our own minds up about things. We won't be told what to do when it comes to our liberty. But the vast majority if the money (an unbelievable amount?) has been spent on testing, which is what everybody wanted until they realised how much it was costing.

The thing is, in modern times, no first world government has simply had to face something like this. They are having to make the rules processes up as they go along and learn from their mistakes. Hopefully it will all be at an end soon and despite sooey and co..

 

[noseall]

no first world government has simply had to face something like this

Some fare better than others.

I was astonished to learn the UK has had more covid deaths than France.

Blimey.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Some fare better than others.

I was astonished to learn the UK has had more covid deaths than France.

Blimey.

The UK is more crowded, crowds pass on the virus, so no real surprise there.

 

[noseall]

The UK is more crowded, crowds pass on the virus, so no real surprise there.

Nonsense. Even if the UK were more crowded (which it isn't) it's nothing to do with the increased number of deaths.

 

[ellal]

The UK is more crowded, crowds pass on the virus, so no real surprise there.

So why were the tube trains kept running whilst outdoor sports were banned?

 

[JohnD]

I was astonished to learn the UK has had more covid deaths than France.

UK took extra trouble to ensure that infected people were sent out of hospital and into care homes, WITHOUT BEING TESTED in order to maximise the number of frail and vulnerable people that were infected and died.

This policy was very successful.

Maybe the French didn't put as much effort into it.

 

[denso13]

This policy was very successful.

Is that not murder?

 

[JohnD]

What he's saying is that the 'usual suspects' who were bitching last year because we had no effective track and trace system in place are the same people who are now bitching that we're spending too much on it.

So we have a T&T system that doesn't work and cost billions.

And you say nobody is entitled to complain about those two facts? Only one of them?

If it had worked, there wouldn't have been the complaints.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Is that not murder?

If a deliberate act.

 

[JohnD]

Is that not murder?

perhaps it was due to incompetence, stupidity and carelessness?

 

[denso13]

perhaps it was due to incompetence, stupidity and carelessness?

Yes, perhaps, but you kinda said it was deliberate. If so call the police.

 

[JohnD]

I like to look at

- what the government does

- what effects it has

- when told what the effects are, do they correct errors

- or do they compound them by, for example, diverting PPE away from the care homes and accusing them of extravagance and waste by using it on a single patient instead of all day.

 

[denso13]

I like to look at

I agree mistakes have been made, some big ones, but not to the extent of murdering people.

 

[JohnD]

then perhaps you were wrong to suggest it was murder.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

My partner became jobless last March, a job she was offered was as a mobile carer. Concerned about the obvious risk - I pleaded with her not to take the job, but to wait and see what else might come along.