Thinking of getting the booster

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 129291" data-quote="gas112" data-source="post: 5563710" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/diy/goto/post?id=5563710" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-5563710">gas112 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> So because they pushed aggressively the agenda of it being man made by china they are conspiracy theorists .<br /> Should we mention the Fauci lies regards the email lies that have come out or what about the hush money payments .<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24677" data-url="https://abcnews.go.com/US/cia-allegations-connected-covid-19-origins/story?id=103162133" data-host="abcnews.go.com" data-pending="false"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/20033bcf-f38a-41ba-bc78-fa81cc8ac401/cia-seal-gty-jt-230913_1694633428916_hpMain_16x9.jpg?w=1600" loading="lazy" alt="abcnews.go.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/cia-allegations-connected-covid-19-origins/story?id=103162133" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> CIA &#039;looking into&#039; allegations connected to COVID-19 origins </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">The CIA confirms they are &quot;looking into&quot; accusations that several members of an agency team tasked with COVID-19 pandemic analysis were paid off &quot;significant&quot; hush money.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://s.abcnews.com/assets/dtci/images/favicon.ico" loading="lazy" alt="abcnews.go.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> abcnews.go.com </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Seemed happy to promote &quot;his own&quot; vaccine<br /> <br /> The group claimed that the virus was man-made in <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">China</a> and that their vaccine, called BioVacc-19, was the solution.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 129291" data-quote="gas112" data-source="post: 5563710" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/diy/goto/post?id=5563710" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-5563710">gas112 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> ..they are conspiracy theorists... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Yes, they are.<br /> <br /> &quot;<b><span style="font-size: 18px">Top science journal faced secret attacks from Covid conspiracy theory group</span></b><br /> <br /> <h3 class="bbHeading"><a class="u-anchorTarget" name="-a-conspiratorial-group-of-extreme-brexit-lobbyists-mounted-an-extraordinary-campaign-against-one-of-the-world%E2%80%99s-most-prestigious-science-journals-%E2%80%93-part-of-a-series-of-joint-investigations-between-byline-times-and-computer-weekly"></a>A conspiratorial group of extreme Brexit lobbyists mounted an extraordinary campaign against one of the world’s most prestigious science journals – part of a series of joint investigations between Byline Times and Computer Weekly&#8203;<a class="hoverLink" href="#-a-conspiratorial-group-of-extreme-brexit-lobbyists-mounted-an-extraordinary-campaign-against-one-of-the-world%E2%80%99s-most-prestigious-science-journals-%E2%80%93-part-of-a-series-of-joint-investigations-between-byline-times-and-computer-weekly" title="Permanent link"></a></h3><br /> <br /> One of the world’s <a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11192-020-03441-5" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">most prestigious general science journals</a>, <i>Nature</i>, was the target of a two-year-long sustained and virulent secret attack by a conspiratorial group of extreme Brexit lobbyists with high-level political, commercial and intelligence connections, according to documents and correspondence examined by Computer Weekly and <a href="https://bylinetimes.com/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener"><i>Byline Times</i>.</a><br /> <br /> The group attempted to have <i>Nature</i> and its staff put under surveillance and investigated by MI5, MI6, the CIA, Mossad, and Japanese and Australian intelligence agencies. They met Cabinet minister Michael Gove and later asked him to arrange phone taps and electronic surveillance. One member of the group led intrusive investigations into the intimate personal life and background circumstances of senior <i>Nature</i> staff the group suspected of “extreme Sinophile views”.<br /> <br /> When their campaign flopped and a Covid vaccine promoted by the group failed to reach any form of clinical testing, the group arranged for unfounded accusations against <i>Nature</i> magazines and staff to be published by the <i>Daily Telegraph </i>and on other right wing news sites. They called themselves the “Covid Hunters”. Their allegations against science reporting helped fuel an explosion in “lab leak” claims on right-wing conspiracy sites.&quot;</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Conspiracy anti vaxxerss supporting a (failed) vaccine supporter</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Because someone calls you a conspiracy theorist doesnt mean you are . Telling the truth doesnt make you a theorist it makes the others liars</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 129291" data-quote="gas112" data-source="post: 5563737" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/diy/goto/post?id=5563737" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-5563737">gas112 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Because someone calls you a conspiracy theorist doesnt mean you are . Telling the truth doesnt make you a theorist it makes the others liars </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Which bit of his truth was right and which was wrong?<br /> <br /> He supported a vaccine.<br /> <br /> He opposes a vaccine</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 129291" data-quote="gas112" data-source="post: 5563636" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/diy/goto/post?id=5563636" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-5563636">gas112 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> &quot;Vaccines aren’t preventing onward transmission by reducing the viral load—or amount of SARS-CoV-2—in your body. “Most studies show if you got an infection after vaccination, compared with someone who got an infection without a vaccine, you were pretty much shedding roughly the same amount of virus,” says Paul Hunter, professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia&quot; </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Untrue<br /> <br /> most studies dont show that</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 129291" data-quote="gas112" data-source="post: 5563679" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/diy/goto/post?id=5563679" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-5563679">gas112 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Claimed it was man made , you mean you believe it came from a wet market . Jesus h christ how gullible are you </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><h3 class="bbHeading"><a class="u-anchorTarget" name="-genetic-data-links-covid-origins-to-raccoon-dogs-sold-at-wuhan-wet-market-reports-say"></a>Genetic Data Links Covid Origins To Raccoon Dogs Sold At Wuhan Wet Market, Reports Say&#8203;<a class="hoverLink" href="#-genetic-data-links-covid-origins-to-raccoon-dogs-sold-at-wuhan-wet-market-reports-say" title="Permanent link"></a></h3><br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24685" data-url="https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/03/17/genetic-data-links-covid-origins-to-raccoon-dogs-sold-at-wuhan-wet-market/?sh=23df4c126875" data-host="www.forbes.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/64140e29318ac0bd4bad590d/0x0.jpg?format=jpg&amp;crop=2738,1539,x0,y120,safe&amp;height=900&amp;width=1600&amp;fit=bounds" loading="lazy" alt="www.forbes.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/03/17/genetic-data-links-covid-origins-to-raccoon-dogs-sold-at-wuhan-wet-market/?sh=23df4c126875" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Genetic Data Links Covid Origins To Raccoon Dogs Sold At Wuhan Wet Market, Reports Say </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">This finding is the first piece of genetic evidence linking an animal being sold at the wet market to the coronavirus that caused the pandemic.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://i.forbesimg.com/48X48-F.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.forbes.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.forbes.com </div> </div> </div> </div></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">That some trust you put in Forbes to deliver the &#039;truth&#039;.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 107343" data-quote="gant" data-source="post: 5563917" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/diy/goto/post?id=5563917" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-5563917">gant said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> That some trust you put in Forbes to deliver the &#039;truth&#039;. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24687" data-url="https://www.politico.eu/article/who-raccoon-dog-data-china-covid-origin-wuhan-market-genetic-sample/" data-host="www.politico.eu" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://www.politico.eu/cdn-cgi/image/width=1200,height=630,fit=crop,quality=80,onerror=redirect/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/17/GettyImages-1211156538.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="www.politico.eu" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.politico.eu/article/who-raccoon-dog-data-china-covid-origin-wuhan-market-genetic-sample/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> WHO: Raccoon dog data give clues to COVID origin — but no definitive answer </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Media reports have linked the animals with the start of the pandemic.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.politico.eu/wp-content/themes/politico/assets/images/apple/favicon-32x32.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.politico.eu" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.politico.eu </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24688" data-url="https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-origins-data-links-pandemic-raccoon-dogs-wuhan-market-rcna75437" data-host="www.nbcnews.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_nbcnews-fp-1200-630,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2023-03/230317-raccoon-dog-al-0932-769139.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="www.nbcnews.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a 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Then It Was Deleted </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">DNA from raccoon dogs, which were sold in a Wuhan market, were found in close proximity to SARS-CoV-2 genetic material</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://time.com/favicon.ico" loading="lazy" alt="time.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> time.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24691" data-url="https://www.sciencenews.org/article/raccoon-dog-dna-covid-origins-debate" data-host="www.sciencenews.org" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://i0.wp.com/www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/032223_eg_covid-origins_feat.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="www.sciencenews.org" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.sciencenews.org/article/raccoon-dog-dna-covid-origins-debate" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> How raccoon dog DNA fits into the COVID-19 origins debate </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Did the virus that causes COVID-19 come from animals or a lab? 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Either way, we should be prepping for the next pandemic.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://i0.wp.com/www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/cropped-favicon.jpg?fit=32%2C32&amp;ssl=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.sciencenews.org" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.sciencenews.org </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24692" data-url="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10038680/" data-host="www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <span class="fa-2x u-muted"> <i class="fa--xf far fa-spinner fa-pulse "><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" role="img" aria-hidden="true" ><use href="/diy/data/local/icons/regular.svg?v=1765206842#spinner"></use></svg></i> </span> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10038680/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Covid-19 may have first jumped to people via raccoon dogs - PMC </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc"></div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/static/img/favicons/favicon-48x48.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24693" data-url="https://www.lemonde.fr/en/china/article/2023/04/07/covid-19-origin-raccoon-dogs-presence-in-wuhan-market-confirmed_6022021_162.html" data-host="www.lemonde.fr" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://img.lemde.fr/2023/04/03/0/0/5184/3456/1440/960/60/0/26e2f26_1680528431915-bios-2100482.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="www.lemonde.fr" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.lemonde.fr/en/china/article/2023/04/07/covid-19-origin-raccoon-dogs-presence-in-wuhan-market-confirmed_6022021_162.html" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Covid-19 origin: Raccoon dogs&#039; presence in Wuhan market confirmed </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">A French researcher&#039;s discovery has reopened the debate on the role of intermediate animal hosts in the emergence of SARS-CoV-2.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.lemonde.fr/bucket/resources/front/static/img/logos/pwa-180.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.lemonde.fr" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.lemonde.fr </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24694" data-url="https://www.newscientist.com/article/2365055-covid-19-may-have-started-in-raccoon-dogs-new-dna-evidence-shows/" data-host="www.newscientist.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://images.newscientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/17173629/SEI_148711807.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="www.newscientist.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.newscientist.com/article/2365055-covid-19-may-have-started-in-raccoon-dogs-new-dna-evidence-shows/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Covid-19 may have started in raccoon dogs, new DNA evidence shows </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Swabs taken from various surfaces at a seafood and live animal market in Wuhan, China, that were positive for the coronavirus also have evidence of DNA from raccoon dogs</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.newscientist.com/build/images/layup/new-sci-favicon.d65b52af.ico" loading="lazy" alt="www.newscientist.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.newscientist.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html" class="link link--external" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html </a> </div> <div> <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2023/03/17/covid-origins-raccoon-dog/" class="link link--external" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2023/03/17/covid-origins-raccoon-dog/ </a> </div></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 107343" data-quote="gant" data-source="post: 5563917" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/diy/goto/post?id=5563917" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-5563917">gant said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> That some trust you put in Forbes to deliver the &#039;truth&#039;. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>And who do you trust for your truth ?<br /> <br /> You tube?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 249043" data-quote="Notch7" data-source="post: 5563904" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/diy/goto/post?id=5563904" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-5563904">Notch7 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <h3 class="bbHeading">Genetic Data Links Covid Origins To Raccoon Dogs Sold At Wuhan Wet Market, Reports Say&#8203;</h3><br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24685" data-url="https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/03/17/genetic-data-links-covid-origins-to-raccoon-dogs-sold-at-wuhan-wet-market/?sh=23df4c126875" data-host="www.forbes.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/64140e29318ac0bd4bad590d/0x0.jpg?format=jpg&amp;crop=2738,1539,x0,y120,safe&amp;height=900&amp;width=1600&amp;fit=bounds" loading="lazy" alt="www.forbes.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/03/17/genetic-data-links-covid-origins-to-raccoon-dogs-sold-at-wuhan-wet-market/?sh=23df4c126875" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Genetic Data Links Covid Origins To Raccoon Dogs Sold At Wuhan Wet Market, Reports Say </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">This finding is the first piece of genetic evidence linking an animal being sold at the wet market to the coronavirus that caused the pandemic.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://i.forbesimg.com/48X48-F.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.forbes.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.forbes.com </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> What are the chances of a virus occurring, in a wet market virtually next door, to China&#039;s highest-security virology center.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 249043" data-quote="Notch7" data-source="post: 5563487" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/diy/goto/post?id=5563487" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-5563487">Notch7 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Oh and the booster is only available to the over 65s<br /> <br /> I shall be getting a flu vaccine, I get it every year </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I was offered it last week. Didn&#039;t do it as I has Covid at the time.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 249043" data-quote="Notch7" data-source="post: 5563948" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/diy/goto/post?id=5563948" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-5563948">Notch7 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24687" data-url="https://www.politico.eu/article/who-raccoon-dog-data-china-covid-origin-wuhan-market-genetic-sample/" data-host="www.politico.eu" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://www.politico.eu/cdn-cgi/image/width=1200,height=630,fit=crop,quality=80,onerror=redirect/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/17/GettyImages-1211156538.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="www.politico.eu" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.politico.eu/article/who-raccoon-dog-data-china-covid-origin-wuhan-market-genetic-sample/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> WHO: Raccoon dog data give clues to COVID origin — but no definitive answer </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Media reports have linked the animals with the start of the pandemic.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.politico.eu/wp-content/themes/politico/assets/images/apple/favicon-32x32.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.politico.eu" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.politico.eu </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24688" data-url="https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-origins-data-links-pandemic-raccoon-dogs-wuhan-market-rcna75437" data-host="www.nbcnews.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_nbcnews-fp-1200-630,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2023-03/230317-raccoon-dog-al-0932-769139.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="www.nbcnews.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-origins-data-links-pandemic-raccoon-dogs-wuhan-market-rcna75437" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> New Covid origins data suggests pandemic linked to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">The samples were collected from surfaces at the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan after the first human cases of Covid-19 were found in late 2019.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://nodeassets.nbcnews.com/cdnassets/projects/ramen/favicon/nbcnews/all-other-sizes-PNG.ico/favicon-16x16.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.nbcnews.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.nbcnews.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24689" data-url="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00827-2" data-host="www.nature.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://media.nature.com/lw1200/magazine-assets/d41586-023-00827-2/d41586-023-00827-2_24655474.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="www.nature.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00827-2" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> COVID-origins study links raccoon dogs to Wuhan market: what scientists think </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Some say the analysis supports the hypothesis that the virus that causes COVID-19 spilled over from an animal — but falls short of definitive proof.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.nature.com/static/images/favicons/nature/favicon-48x48-b52890008c.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.nature.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.nature.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24690" data-url="https://time.com/6264125/raccoon-dogs-covid-19-potential-source/" data-host="time.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/GettyImages-898360646.jpg?quality=85&amp;w=1024&amp;h=628&amp;crop=1" loading="lazy" alt="time.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://time.com/6264125/raccoon-dogs-covid-19-potential-source/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Scientists Found New Chinese Data Hinting at the Origin of COVID-19. Then It Was Deleted </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">DNA from raccoon dogs, which were sold in a Wuhan market, were found in close proximity to SARS-CoV-2 genetic material</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://time.com/favicon.ico" loading="lazy" alt="time.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> time.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24691" data-url="https://www.sciencenews.org/article/raccoon-dog-dna-covid-origins-debate" data-host="www.sciencenews.org" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://i0.wp.com/www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/032223_eg_covid-origins_feat.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="www.sciencenews.org" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.sciencenews.org/article/raccoon-dog-dna-covid-origins-debate" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> How raccoon dog DNA fits into the COVID-19 origins debate </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Did the virus that causes COVID-19 come from animals or a lab? Evidence hints at animals. Either way, we should be prepping for the next pandemic.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://i0.wp.com/www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/cropped-favicon.jpg?fit=32%2C32&amp;ssl=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.sciencenews.org" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.sciencenews.org </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24692" data-url="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10038680/" data-host="www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <span class="fa-2x u-muted"> <i class="fa--xf far fa-spinner fa-pulse "><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" role="img" aria-hidden="true" ><use href="/diy/data/local/icons/regular.svg?v=1765206842#spinner"></use></svg></i> </span> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10038680/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Covid-19 may have first jumped to people via raccoon dogs - PMC </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc"></div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/static/img/favicons/favicon-48x48.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24693" data-url="https://www.lemonde.fr/en/china/article/2023/04/07/covid-19-origin-raccoon-dogs-presence-in-wuhan-market-confirmed_6022021_162.html" data-host="www.lemonde.fr" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://img.lemde.fr/2023/04/03/0/0/5184/3456/1440/960/60/0/26e2f26_1680528431915-bios-2100482.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="www.lemonde.fr" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.lemonde.fr/en/china/article/2023/04/07/covid-19-origin-raccoon-dogs-presence-in-wuhan-market-confirmed_6022021_162.html" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Covid-19 origin: Raccoon dogs&#039; presence in Wuhan market confirmed </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">A French researcher&#039;s discovery has reopened the debate on the role of intermediate animal hosts in the emergence of SARS-CoV-2.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.lemonde.fr/bucket/resources/front/static/img/logos/pwa-180.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.lemonde.fr" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.lemonde.fr </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24694" data-url="https://www.newscientist.com/article/2365055-covid-19-may-have-started-in-raccoon-dogs-new-dna-evidence-shows/" data-host="www.newscientist.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://images.newscientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/17173629/SEI_148711807.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="www.newscientist.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.newscientist.com/article/2365055-covid-19-may-have-started-in-raccoon-dogs-new-dna-evidence-shows/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Covid-19 may have started in raccoon dogs, new DNA evidence shows </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Swabs taken from various surfaces at a seafood and live animal market in Wuhan, China, that were positive for the coronavirus also have evidence of DNA from raccoon dogs</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.newscientist.com/build/images/layup/new-sci-favicon.d65b52af.ico" loading="lazy" alt="www.newscientist.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.newscientist.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html" class="link link--external" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html </a> </div> <div> <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2023/03/17/covid-origins-raccoon-dog/" class="link link--external" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2023/03/17/covid-origins-raccoon-dog/ </a> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>There&#039;s a common theme running through that post.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">It didn’t take John the forum cryer long to bring Brexit into it. <br /> <br /> Boring.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 249043" data-quote="Notch7" data-source="post: 5563904" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/diy/goto/post?id=5563904" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-5563904">Notch7 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <h3 class="bbHeading">Genetic Data Links Covid Origins To Raccoon Dogs Sold At Wuhan Wet Market, Reports Say&#8203;</h3><br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24685" data-url="https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/03/17/genetic-data-links-covid-origins-to-raccoon-dogs-sold-at-wuhan-wet-market/?sh=23df4c126875" data-host="www.forbes.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/64140e29318ac0bd4bad590d/0x0.jpg?format=jpg&amp;crop=2738,1539,x0,y120,safe&amp;height=900&amp;width=1600&amp;fit=bounds" loading="lazy" alt="www.forbes.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/03/17/genetic-data-links-covid-origins-to-raccoon-dogs-sold-at-wuhan-wet-market/?sh=23df4c126875" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Genetic Data Links Covid Origins To Raccoon Dogs Sold At Wuhan Wet Market, Reports Say </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">This finding is the first piece of genetic evidence linking an animal being sold at the wet market to the coronavirus that caused the pandemic.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://i.forbesimg.com/48X48-F.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.forbes.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.forbes.com </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Oh ffs bet you believe moon is made of green cheese . I hope your single and you don&#039;t have family seeing the shyte you post</div>
 
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