Now you are just fantasising.
UK social security payments 'at lowest level since launch of welfare state'
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Now you are just fantasising.
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So how is Brexit going to make your life better?
We will have left the eu. The most corrupt institution ever devised.
Then we can watch it crumble from the outside.
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So you cannot answer the question.
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OK, Ryler came up with a figure of 2.3bn and you all rubbished it.
Notch came up with a low sounding percentage, the words 'not a lot' and a linky.
His linky says:
The estimate of the total rate of overpayments in 2018/19 remained the same as in 2017/18. The confidence interval around the 2018/19 estimate of 2.2% – as shown on the chart on the first page – means we think the true value lies between 2.0% and 2.5%. The estimate of the total rate of overpayments (2.2%) is the joint highest recorded rate. It was at this level in 2017/18 and has also been at this level previously. The estimate of the monetary value of overpayments was £4.1bn. This compares to £3.8bn for overpayments in 2017/18. Benefit expenditure increased from £177.3bn in 2017/18 to £183.5bn in 2018/19. Fraud overpayments were at their joint highest estimated level, the same as in 2017/18. They have been at this level since 2016/17. For individual benefits, Jobseeker’s Allowance, Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment all had their highest overpayment rates on record in 2018/19. None of the changes to total overpayment rates for individual benefits were statistically significant.
The estimate of the total rate of underpayments in 2018/19 also remained the same as in 2017/18, at 1.1%, the highest recorded rate. The estimate of the monetary value of underpayments was £2.0bn. This compares to £1.9bn for underpayments in 2017/18. Claimant error and official error underpayments were both at their joint highest estimated levels. For individual benefits, Employment and Support Allowance and Jobseeker’s Allowance had their highest underpayment rates on record in 2018/19. None of the changes to total underpayment rates for individual benefits were statistically significant.
The link suggests 2.1 bn, hardly any difference really, in fact I would say the difference is less than the 'confidence buffer' they put on the graph.
Again, Notch is arguing with himself.
Notch came up with a low sounding percentage, the words 'not a lot' and a linky.
His linky says:
The estimate of the total rate of overpayments in 2018/19 remained the same as in 2017/18. The confidence interval around the 2018/19 estimate of 2.2% – as shown on the chart on the first page – means we think the true value lies between 2.0% and 2.5%. The estimate of the total rate of overpayments (2.2%) is the joint highest recorded rate. It was at this level in 2017/18 and has also been at this level previously. The estimate of the monetary value of overpayments was £4.1bn. This compares to £3.8bn for overpayments in 2017/18. Benefit expenditure increased from £177.3bn in 2017/18 to £183.5bn in 2018/19. Fraud overpayments were at their joint highest estimated level, the same as in 2017/18. They have been at this level since 2016/17. For individual benefits, Jobseeker’s Allowance, Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment all had their highest overpayment rates on record in 2018/19. None of the changes to total overpayment rates for individual benefits were statistically significant.
The estimate of the total rate of underpayments in 2018/19 also remained the same as in 2017/18, at 1.1%, the highest recorded rate. The estimate of the monetary value of underpayments was £2.0bn. This compares to £1.9bn for underpayments in 2017/18. Claimant error and official error underpayments were both at their joint highest estimated levels. For individual benefits, Employment and Support Allowance and Jobseeker’s Allowance had their highest underpayment rates on record in 2018/19. None of the changes to total underpayment rates for individual benefits were statistically significant.
The link suggests 2.1 bn, hardly any difference really, in fact I would say the difference is less than the 'confidence buffer' they put on the graph.
Again, Notch is arguing with himself.
Just gave you the answer.
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£2.1bn includes errors and fraud. Where did you work out the cost of fraud which varies by type of payment?
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How does that improve your life. You just made a fantasy statement.
Will you have more money in your pocket? Will your family, friends?
The EU crumbles so trade with the EU will increase or decrease - how will that effect the UK?
Are you 10?
Neither. It ends.
We just go back to trading with our friends and partners in europe as we did for centuries.
Hardly rocket science is it? Even a 10 year old could understand that.
But then a 10 year old is not consumed with hate.
4.1 bn minus 2 bn
Fraud: Cases where all three of the following conditions apply: o The conditions for receipt of benefit, or the rate of benefit in payment, are not being met o The claimant can reasonably be expected to be aware of the effect on entitlement o Benefit stops or reduces as a result of the review. Claimant Error: The claimant has provided inaccurate or incomplete information, or failed to report a change in their circumstances, but there is no evidence of fraudulent intent on the claimant’s part. Official Error: Benefit has been paid incorrectly due to a failure to act, a delay or a mistaken assessment by the DWP, a Local Authority or Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs to which no one outside of that department has materially contributed, regardless of whether the business unit has processed the information
Oh come on, even the error part suggests some fraud.
Fraud: Cases where all three of the following conditions apply: o The conditions for receipt of benefit, or the rate of benefit in payment, are not being met o The claimant can reasonably be expected to be aware of the effect on entitlement o Benefit stops or reduces as a result of the review. Claimant Error: The claimant has provided inaccurate or incomplete information, or failed to report a change in their circumstances, but there is no evidence of fraudulent intent on the claimant’s part. Official Error: Benefit has been paid incorrectly due to a failure to act, a delay or a mistaken assessment by the DWP, a Local Authority or Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs to which no one outside of that department has materially contributed, regardless of whether the business unit has processed the information
Oh come on, even the error part suggests some fraud.
Apparently more money goes unclaimed every year than is lost through fraud.
https://www.independent.co.uk/money...o-unclaimed-each-year-in-the-uk-a7085166.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/money...o-unclaimed-each-year-in-the-uk-a7085166.html
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Fraud is intent. So again how did you work it out.
He thinks that the benefit he will gain is
He likes the thought of economic, political and trading collapse.
He dreams of the days of the Great Depression.
His favourite book is "The Grapes of Wrath"
He likes the thought of economic, political and trading collapse.
He dreams of the days of the Great Depression.
His favourite book is "The Grapes of Wrath"
Wrong
The EU is currently the biggest trading bloc in the world, which has developed the most advanced system to minimise non tariff barriers.
But Ryler wants to go to the WTO, which is like going from premiership to 3rd division.
Tory government is more corrupt than EU
I stated that benefit underpayments are virtually the same as fraud overpayments.
Which puts fraud in some context.
IE its only small.
I never argued about the actual figure of £2b -you did
You need to be less driven by point scoring, it will leave more energy for logic.
By the way the Tax revenue gap is £35b, so where should the effort be put in? -oh but Tories dont want to collect the tax fromTory billionaire benefit scroungers they want you to get angry at people on benefits.
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