Progress on Brexit talks

[JohnD]

Is this true?

"Liam Fox says the Brexit deal will be the 'easiest thing in human history'. "

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-deal-eu-liam-fox-boris-johnson-a7851656.html


Or this?

"MPs brutally mock Tory David Davis for falsely claiming 'nobody said Brexit would be easy'"

Or this?

"Brexit-backing Tory MP John Redwood said last year: "Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy."

"And Mr Davis himself said last year: "Be under no doubt: we can do deals with our trading partners, and we can do them quickly.
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners.
"I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."




http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/david-davis-mocked-brexit-easy-11116865

 

[JohnD]

Is this a lie?

"Would we have won without immigration? No. Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests No. Would we have won by spending our time talking about trade and the Single Market? No way."

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/dominic-cummings-brexit-referendum-won/

 

[Roger928]

Never mind

Indeed.
Poor old johnd and his band of gutless remoaners will be dead soon.

 

[JohnD]

UKIPYouthWing

• JohnD
• 12 Jun 2017

 

[Roger928]

Very amusing though.
Post 101 and they all come scurrying out from under their rocks. Just needs war he bee now to add his ramblings.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Nice photo JD. Never realised your kids were kippers?

 

[Roger928]

johnd and his youth wing in London today protesting against brexit..........

These old git die hard remoaners had a democratic vote to join the eu.
Now they cannot accept a democratic vote to leave. Poor old embittered remoaners.

 

[JohnD]

silly old quitters

https://www.ft.com/content/1ce1a720-ce94-3c32-a689-8d2356388a1f

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

They know the truth as well as the rest of us, but they can't face it.

http://www.politico.eu/article/britains-youth-voted-remain-leave-eu-brexit-referendum-stats/

Retired plumbers like a trip to the polling station. It's a day out for them. All we need is a hard winter before the next vote....

 

[Judy in the sky]

Are these the words of someone willing to negotiate ?? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41140564
Who the f**k does he think he is? "The EU's Brexit negotiator has said he sees the process as an opportunity to "teach" the British people and others what leaving the single market means."

Yep as I said previously. "Project Fear" is alive and well. It's just moved to Brussels.. PS I wonder who the "others" that Barnier speaks of,, are ? (you know, don'tcha)

 

[JohnD]

I wonder if Judy thinks he can tell us what "Brexit means Brexit" actually means? Does our government know what it means? Or is it still shambling around spouting platitudes and made up numbers.

Judy doesn't know. Remember when he believed that a figure had already been demanded, and then a different figure, back in May?

Remember when Brexiteers like Buffoon Boris and Dumbo Davis were telling voters that the German car manufacturers would force the EU to give us free access to the single market? That's a story that disappeared like the red bus.

Judy gets his political information off the side of a bus (shelter).

 

[Doug99]

silly old quitters

https://www.ft.com/content/1ce1a720-ce94-3c32-a689-8d2356388a1f

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

They know the truth as well as the rest of us, but they can't face it.

http://www.politico.eu/article/britains-youth-voted-remain-leave-eu-brexit-referendum-stats/

Nobody asked my age when I voted at the referendum, so how accurate are these polls? What is the error rate?

 

[shagster]

I've not met a single degree-educated individual who knew the first thing about CFP, CAP and so on. In the case of CFP this is interesting when you consider that it involves a billion euros of European (not just UK) subsidy for a fishing fleet that is already some 60% over-capacity. That it's used to purchase fishing rights off African countries (arguably to the detriment of some of them) just because there are too many fishing boats across Europe that need something worthwhile to do (instead of re-training or whatever, a bit like what the local hod carrier is supposed to do when a Bulgarian puts him out of work).

Most degree-educated people won't have had the benefit of being involved in the farming industry, and seen the fields that farmers are paid to keep empty. They won't stop to think about why there is no parity of minimum wage across the eurozone, or they won't care, even though it's something Mr Corbyn himself has complained about (and he's right, of course).

Born and based in the UK they won't have benefited from getting cosmetic procedures done FOC in central Europe on an NHS card, and perhaps if they have they will be keeping quiet about it. Unless they are planning to emigrate they won't have visited the expat forums which describe all the stuff you won't be getting for free in country X as you would here, and even if they see some down-sides they'll be so keen to go they'll just overlook it (e.g. having to pay for a translator when visiting a doctor in Spain).

Unless they've run a VAT-registered company they may not stop to think about why there is no parity of VAT rates (or even VAT registration thresholds) across the EU and why, when the EU is supposed to make stuff easier for businesses you have significantly more to do as a small business when selling to Europe than you do to the rest of the world (the risks of VAT fraud which you are liable for when zero-rating B2B transactions, EC sales list etc...).

I could go on, but I'll spare you. Just wanted to point out that a degree doesn't always equate to expertise in the EU.

 

[JohnD]

And did you find that the over-65s without degrees were better informed?

How many of them knew that the UK doesn't send £350M/wk to the EU, and that resigning will not improve NHS funding?

 

[shagster]

And did you find that the over-65s without degrees were better informed?

Most people are misinformed. Across the political spectrum. It's a real shame that nobody focused on the real issues. The referendum would have been great opportunity to educate and the press, right and left were equally to blame for this IMHO.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

I've not met a single degree-educated individual who knew the first thing about CFP, CAP and so on.

I bet you are the life and soul of the party, "Pleased to meet you. Do you have a degree? What do you know about the CFP or the CAP?"

In the case of CFP this is interesting when you consider that it involves a billion euros of European (not just UK) subsidy for a fishing fleet that is already some 60% over-capacity. That it's used to purchase fishing rights off African countries (arguably to the detriment of some of them) just because there are too many fishing boats across Europe that need something worthwhile to do (instead of re-training or whatever, a bit like what the local hod carrier is supposed to do when a Bulgarian puts him out of work).

While, you, of course, being without a degree, understand it far more?

Most degree-educated people won't have had the benefit of being involved in the farming industry,

Wow, such insight! They will not have been involved in, say dentistry, medicine, engineering, etc either. In fact, it is extremely difficult to assume what the majority of students will have been involved in.........alcohol perhaps? Or loans and interest rates?

and seen the fields that farmers are paid to keep empty. They won't stop to think about why there is no parity of minimum wage across the eurozone, or they won't care, even though it's something Mr Corbyn himself has complained about (and he's right, of course).

They probably will not stop to think about how plumbers have all the right answers either.

Born and based in the UK they won't have benefited from getting cosmetic procedures done FOC in central Europe on an NHS card, and perhaps if they have they will be keeping quiet about it.

If they are born and based in the UK, how did they get to central Europe for cosmetic surgery?

Unless they are planning to emigrate they won't have visited the expat forums which describe all the stuff you won't be getting for free in country X as you would here, and even if they see some down-sides they'll be so keen to go they'll just overlook it (e.g. having to pay for a translator when visiting a doctor in Spain).

Did someone on here say that all the Spanish doctors speak English. Quite a few French doctors do too. But if they are expat, will they ask on these expat forums for information about English speaking doctors?

Unless they've run a VAT-registered company they may not stop to think about why there is no parity of VAT rates (or even VAT registration thresholds) across the EU

Is that why there are VAT rates, within parameters, across the EU?

and why, when the EU is supposed to make stuff easier for businesses you have significantly more to do as a small business when selling to Europe than you do to the rest of the world (the risks of VAT fraud which you are liable for when zero-rating B2B transactions, EC sales list etc...).

So why all the fuss about the impending new border in the island of Ireland?

I could go on,

You are going on......in fact I would call it a rant!

but I'll spare you.

Very kind of you.

Just wanted to point out that a degree doesn't always equate to expertise in the EU.

Or an expertise in veterinary procedures, or oil exploration, or a host of other things. However it does equip you to have an open and inquisitive mind that allows you to bone up quickly on such matters. Far quickly, and with more understanding than those with less education.