The Irish border smokescreen

[Bodd]

I think you are misunderstanding the thinking behind tariffs. Tariffs are used to discourage people eating/using/buying an imported cheaper or better quality or simply more preferred (fashionable) product in favour of them choosing an internally produced product. This may especially be in the case of a product that is state supported in another country. Tariffs protect the internal market, thus protecting jobs, raising living standards, increasing tax revenue, etc.
Internally produced for Spain is produced anywhere in the EU, or one of the other countries that have a trade agreement with the EU.
Tariffs are not designed to punish an indigenous people.

So Trump is creating Tarrifs to protect the US internal market, thus protecting jobs, raising living standards, increasing tax revenue, etc.

I just copied and pasted what you think is good for the EU

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

So Trump is creating Tarrifs to protect the US internal market, thus protecting jobs, raising living standards, increasing tax revenue, etc.

I just copied and pasted what you think is good for the EU

That is his motive, obviously.
The question is, will it work? Economists are not only doubtful, they positively disagree, because other nations will react with their own tariffs in a tit-for-tat trade war. Plus his given reasoning is suspect: internal security! The only possible acceptable internationally agreed reason, on this occasion
This will cause a global upheaval for the time it takes for international trade to find its own equilibrium.

 

[Bodd]

That is his motive, obviously.
The question is, will it work? Economists are not only doubtful, they positively disagree, because other nations will react with their own tariffs in a tit-for-tat trade war. Plus his given reasoning is suspect: internal security! The only possible acceptable internationally agreed reason, on this occasion
This will cause a global upheaval for the time it takes for international trade to find its own equilibrium.

But the EU know this is the main tool in their box to halt Brexit.

Maybe the special relationship is bigger and better as Trump says we can all play that game. TM sits in the wings and watches

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

But the EU know this is the main tool in their box to halt Brexit.

Is that accurate or true?
Or just your opinion?

What about the finance coming back to UK, the 'divorce bill', the cooperation on security, space exploration, medicine, employment, environment, employment protection, commerce and industry cooperation, border control, GFA, etc, etc.
I am sure there are many, many more issues more important than tariffs.
The current sticking points have nothing to do with tariffs, and these have not been discussed or negotiated yet.
We cannot yet reach a situation to inform the EU what we want from the forthcoming negotiations.

I think TM is sitting in the corner because she has boxed herself into that corner.
She knows she has to cross some red lines, but which ones?

 

[Bodd]

employment, environment, employment protection,

Whats going to change here

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Whats going to change here

Wouldn't we all like to know!

 

[Bodd]

exploration, medicine,

Why would we not work together with Medicine.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Why would we not work together with Medicine.

Because we have chosen not to.
The reason, as a Brexiteer, I was hoping you could tell me.

The UK’ s withdrawal from the European Union (EU) and the European Atomic Energy Community (Euratom) means new regulatory arrangements must be put in place from 29 March 2019 to guarantee the safe and effective supply of medicines, medical devices, medical products and substances of human origin in the UK

https://www.parliament.uk/business/...exit-medicines-substances-human-origin-17-19/

Incidentally, medicines are predicted to be in short supply within a fortnight if a no-deal scenario develops. Something which some are actively campaigning for.

 

[Bodd]

Wouldn't we all like to know!

Example. Under EU employment law Sport Direct amougst others treat their worker very poorly and pay poor wages. Some towns up north the work force have little other option than to take these conditions. The recruitment department can take their pick from the whole of Eastern Europe not the local job centre. So it's a like it or lump it

 

[JohnD]

Let me correct that for you:

Example. Under UK employment law Sport Direct amougst others treat their worker very poorly and pay poor wages.

I don't suppose you'll want to read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_minimum_wage

Or this
https://fullfact.org/law/zero-hours-contracts-uk-europe/

Let me see now
"The UK government does not protect workers rights. Whose fault is it?"

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Some towns up north the work force have little other option than to take these conditions.

Who says so?
Is that because of EU, or because of UK policy?

The recruitment department can take their pick from the whole of Eastern Europe not the local job centre. So it's a like it or lump it

Fortunately the same applies to farmers, NHS, and other important aspects of commerce and industry.

 

[Bodd]

Let me correct that for you:



I don't suppose you'll want to read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_minimum_wage

Or this
https://fullfact.org/law/zero-hours-contracts-uk-europe/

Let me see now
"The UK government does not protect workers rights. Whose fault is it?"

I take your right. But what ever law if they have the pick of Eastern Europe why would they improve conditions and wages.

Remember when you'd dad would say.

'son in the old days you could walk out of one job in the morning and start another in the afternoon '

 

[Bodd]

Who says so?
Is that because of EU, or because of UK policy?


Fortunately the same applies to farmers, NHS, and other important aspects of commerce and industry.

Yes and they are all moaning long hours low pay and poor conditions

 

[JohnD]

why would they improve conditions and wages.

So your question is "Why would a UK government protect workers' rights?"

This is actually has the same answer as the question "why would a UK government want to have good healthcare?"

and

"Why would a UK government want to have Health and Safety Standards?"

and

"Why would a UK government want to control crime, road death, and fire deaths?"

Answer those questions please.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Remember when you'd dad would say.

'son in the old days you could walk out of one job in the morning and start another in the afternoon '

Semi-skilled and unskilled jobs.
Say no more.