EU immigration 'understated'.

[Mottie]

Just caught the tail end of an item on the news. Apparently EU immigration to the UK has been understated FOR YEARS! According to the article, random travellers from the EU were asked why they were coming to the UK but no figures were taken, ever, at Gatwick and Stansted airports where most flights from Europe on cheap airlines fly to. So, we have far more EU nationals here than we thought we had. No s hit Sherlock!

 

[Notch7]

Here is your answer: Blame the UK government

Are people who overstay their visa the UK’s biggest immigration problem?
We don’t really know how many people are in the UK without the proper permission. The Home Office doesn’t publish figures on this, so we have to rely on estimates.

The most recent estimate suggests that around 618,000 people could have been living in the UK without permission in 2007. But because this was an estimate, the study thought that in reality it could be anywhere between 417,000 and 863,000people. Of these around 442,000 (72%) were thought to live in London.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Just caught the tail end of an item on the news. Apparently EU immigration to the UK has been understated FOR YEARS!

It actually says underestimated. They do not count them.

According to the article, random travellers from the EU were asked why they were coming to the UK but no figures were taken, ever, at Gatwick and Stansted airports where most flights from Europe on cheap airlines fly to. So, we have far more EU nationals here than we thought we had. No s hit Sherlock!

Depends what you thought with no actual figures available apart from someone's estimate - guess.
Are you more happy or less happy now you still don't know but think there are more?

It also says that non-EU migration has been overestimated. They do not count them.

 

[Bosswhite]

Just caught the tail end of an item on the news. Apparently EU immigration to the UK has been understated FOR YEARS! According to the article, random travellers from the EU were asked why they were coming to the UK but no figures were taken, ever, at Gatwick and Stansted airports where most flights from Europe on cheap airlines fly to. So, we have far more EU nationals here than we thought we had. No s hit Sherlock!

I would have thought that was the main idea of "Open Borders" people can come and go as they please, it works both ways .

Who actually do you think of the EU Nationals should be banned from coming to this Country ?

 

[Mottie]

I would have thought that was the main idea of "Open Borders" people can come and go as they please, it works both ways .

Who actually do you think of the EU Nationals should be banned from coming to this Country ?

The ones that come in with no jobs and no means of support maybe? They will only be here to beg, thieve or ponce.

 

[Notch7]

The ones that come in with no jobs and no means of support maybe? They will only be here to beg, thieve or ponce.

Wrong.

more than three months remains subject to certain conditions: for those who are not workers or self-employed, the right of residence depends on their having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the host Member State’s social assistance system, and on them having sickness insurance.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/41/free-movement-of-workers

you could actually read the rules instead of repeating sound bites which are patently ill informed.

 

[JP_]

The ones that come in with no jobs and no means of support maybe? They will only be here to beg, thieve or ponce.

So, we are going to put an end to tourism? Or are we going to ask every person at the border to bring proof that they work and have money in their bank account, while still not breaching privacy laws?

This growing hostility to all foreigners is going to hurt our nation. The good honest ones that you desire will be the ones that decide to travel to other countries, leaving us with more of those that you want to stop.

 

[ellal]

The ones that come in with no jobs and no means of support maybe?

Do you realise that under EU freedom of movement laws, each EU country has the right to kick out other EU nationals who have no means of support?

The fact that the UK chooses not to do so is not the fault of the EU!

But here's a question for quitters.
(I understand of course getting a straight answer from a quitter is nye on impossible, but here goes)

Quitters want to 'get back control of our borders'.

But how can we 'get back control of our borders' if there is no border between the UK and the EU in the island of Ireland?

 

[Notch7]

This growing hostility to all foreigners is going to hurt our nation

Motman hates the Germans -he thinks we are still at war.

Its hard to argue with such a blinkered view

 

[Mottie]

So, we are going to put an end to tourism?

On arrival to the UK, if they’ve got no money, no pre-booked accommodation or any means of supporting themselves they're not the sort of tourists we want.

 

[Mottie]

Wrong.

more than three months remains subject to certain conditions: for those who are not workers or self-employed, the right of residence depends on their having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the host Member State’s social assistance system, and on them having sickness insurance.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/41/free-movement-of-workers

you could actually read the rules instead of repeating sound bites which are patently ill informed.

That’s one of the things that should stop after a no deal Brexit then isn’t it?

 

[ellal]

On arrival to the UK, if they’ve got no money, no pre-booked accommodation or any means of supporting themselves they're not the sort of tourists we want.

How do you suggest this selected tourism is policed?

And on general immigration control, how do you propose to work out who is entitled to be here and who is not?

 

[Mottie]

Hey ellal, got the answer to that question I asked you? It’s not a hard one - someone asked me and after that I asked them the same question. We were both able to answer it.

 

[ellal]

Hey ellal, got the answer to that question I asked you? It’s not a hard one - someone asked me and after that I asked them the same question. We were both able to answer it.

See the 'power of attorney' topic...

Although I've answered that question before...

Are you going to answer the questions posed here?

Or indeed are you ever going to tell us your answers to 'what are the direct benefits of leaving the EU'? or 'what EU regulation has has a direct negative effect on you'?

 

[JP_]

On arrival to the UK, if they’ve got no money, no pre-booked accommodation or any means of supporting themselves they're not the sort of tourists we want.

So, you're happy for anybody to enter so long as they have booked a week at a Travelodge, EUR200 in their pocket, and say they have a job?

Sounds a pretty easy immigration system to get around.