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Hint: Tongue in cheek.

Thought it was.

If the high way code advocates that a push bike should occupy the correct position a motor cycle should in traffic they aught to be shot. Motorbiking's mention of a certain gent was interesting and explains why some very cheap ideas have been adopted. Of late around were I live some far more expensive solutions are being used.

Catch though - Lycra clad pansies who feel it allows them to go faster doing similar in all weathers. Can't wait to see it. Wet suits maybe.

Pansies not being used in a homophobic sense by the way.
 
That's why their insurances premiums are so high compared to newly qualified and younger drivers.
New drivers are an utter menace, no question. But we're new drivers better or worse in the past? Not a clue and your point completely missed mine.
 
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Possibly in part because of the historically lower standards older drivers had when passing their horse drawn cart tests.
Are you talking to me???
I can make a 3 point turn in my horse and carriage better than drivers in a car.
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New drivers are an utter menace, no question. But we're new drivers better or worse in the past? Not a clue and your point completely missed mine.

There was nothing like the differential back in the 80's between young and old drivers. Though that proves nothing.

But,the thing is you mentioned older folk with cart horse licenses, but offer no evidence that people who took their licence in the 60's 70's or 80's are worse drivers.

I think that's for you to offer up evidence.
 
There was nothing like the differential back in the 80's between young and old drivers. Though that proves nothing.

But,the thing is you mentioned older folk with cart horse licenses, but offer no evidence that people who took their licence in the 60's 70's or 80's are worse drivers.

I think that's for you to offer up evidence.
Well there wasn't even a written theory test until 1996, let alone the video or computer scenario based tests since 2002.

Most of the oldest geezers who didn't even take tests are off the streets by now, which is at least something.

The pass rate used to be much higher, which could be for various reasons but the test being harder is a good contender.
The pass rate in 1935 was 63% compared to 46% in 2009

In the old days you weren't required (or allowed) to do any motorway driving, now you are.

Driving in ye olden days was bloody dangerous, for loads of reasons, but the standards for drivers was lower then.
 
I've no problem with cyclists on the roads, as long as they don't try to slow traffic up with misplaced "defensive" cycling. There is some bad theory out their being touted as "cycle-craft" written by John Franklin. it borrows techniques from Roadcraft many of which get incorrectly applied or misunderstood.
I have no problem with motorised transport on the road as long as they abide by traffic laws and rules. But sadly those who need an engine to propel them along don't seem to be able to follow rules, why do so many drivers play with mobile phones whilst driving, why do most break the speed limit, jeez they can't even park properly. You reaaly don't need much more than five minutes on the highway before you see a driver flouting the law

And what is it with drivers and traffic lights? what don't they get about when the lights show red?

there I was waiting for green and whooooosh
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To all drivers who are too selfish to share the road with other users - PLEASE, go and driver on the motorway, horses and push bikes are not allowed there, it's a drivers heaven, please keep to the motorways, they have been paid for out of the taxes are hard working cyclists and they are roads especially for drivers like you.
 
Thought it was.

If the high way code advocates that a push bike should occupy the correct position a motor cycle should in traffic they aught to be shot. Motorbiking's mention of a certain gent was interesting and explains why some very cheap ideas have been adopted. Of late around were I live some far more expensive solutions are being used.

Catch though - Lycra clad pansies who feel it allows them to go faster doing similar in all weathers. Can't wait to see it. Wet suits maybe.

Pansies not being used in a homophobic sense by the way.
As usual your post verges on the illiterate - so in what sense is 'Pansies' being used here? and 'doing similar' to what in all weathers?
 
Well there wasn't even a written theory test until 1996, let alone the video or computer scenario based tests since 2002.

Most of the oldest geezers who didn't even take tests are off the streets by now, which is at least something.

The pass rate used to be much higher, which could be for various reasons but the test being harder is a good contender.


In the old days you weren't required (or allowed) to do any motorway driving, now you are.

Driving in ye olden days was bloody dangerous, for loads of reasons, but the standards for drivers was lower then.

show some stats that show older drivers have a lower standard of driving to back your assertion up.

BTW If you had taken your driving test in 1935 you'd be over 100 years old by now. of which there are only circa 300 license holders of that age or older, of those it is not known how many actually drive.

As for those not being required or allowed to have done any motorway driving to obtain their licence, well that would have been difficult wouldn't it, seeing as the first stretch of motorway (The M6) opened in the '50s. Oddly they weren't required to use Satnav either.
 
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show some stats that show older drivers have a lower standard of driving to back your assertion up.

BTW If you had taken your driving test in 1935 you'd be over 100 years old by now.
1945, the test was suspended during the war and anyone who had a provisional was given an automatic pass.

I've already shown that the test was easier, that's all I was going for.
 
1945, the test was suspended during the war and anyone who had a provisional was given an automatic pass.

I've already shown that the test was easier, that's all I was going for.

How have you shown that? pass rate was higher? so is the GCSE pass rate, so that in your eyes would mean GCSE's are easier.
 
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