Black Lives Matter Protests Today in UK

[Vinty]

Festive claims black men are not killed by police in America.
Festive says 'nothing to see here, why are they protesting'.

More white people are killed by police in America.
Are the killing of white people more justified than the killing of black people.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Ok those stats paint a picture despite one brutality against someone which is unforgivable when you start to look deeper why are so many crimes committed disproportionally against other blacks(black on black).

How is that remotely relevant?
It's reasonably obvious they are not motivated by racism.
We are discussing racist treatment of BAME people.
Other crimes, not racially motivated, are totally irrelevant.

 

[JohnD]

when I hear of the death, by whatever means, of a nasty criminal

that's interesting.

so you've convinced yourself that all murders carried out by police are justified.

I don't agree with you.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Wow, you've such a messed up and untrue view of people who go to Mosques.

Comrade Sod you are guilty of "The Fallacy Of Composition".

My statements specifically concerned people who park illegally outside mosques, but not generally people who go to mosques.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition

 

[Deleted member 18243]

that's interesting.

so you've convinced yourself that all murders carried out by police are justified.

I don't agree with you.

I don't agree with what you think I've convinced myself of, i.e. "that all murders carried out by police are justified"

You are guilty of "The Fallacy of Composition" John. Or something like that.

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[Deleted member 18243]

Here's good video for you John, with lots of statistics and percentages.

I can't make head nor tail of it, but he seems to be telling us that statistics show that being killed by the police is not necessarily linked to a person's colour or race.

Instead, he posits that "Groups that have a higher rate of committing murder have a higher probability of getting killed by the police". Fancy that.

 

[Mottie]

Boris can be blamed for being a liar, a racist, and an incompetent.

But not just because he is an immigrant.

This has no relevance to the murder of black men by American police.

 

[Mottie]

sounds like you're talking about a Tommy Robinson rally.

This has no relevance to the murder of black men by American police.

 

[Mottie]

You think he didn't break the lockdown instructions? Yes he did.

This has no relevance to the murder of black men by American police.

 

[Mottie]

I don't

I celebrate him as the only honest man ever to enter Parliament with the intent to do good.

This has no relevance to the murder of black men by American police.

 

[Notch7]

More white people are killed by police in America.
Are the killing of white people more justified than the killing of black people.

are you sure?

Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men in the United States. Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police. Risk of being killed by police peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for men and women and for all racial and ethnic groups. Black women and men and American Indian and Alaska Native women and men are significantly more likely than white women and men to be killed by police. Latino men are also more likely to be killed by police than are white men.
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

 

[Notch7]

I can't make head nor tail of it, but he seems to be telling us that statistics show that being killed by the police is not necessarily linked to a person's colour or race.

"Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men in the United States. Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police. Risk of being killed by police peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for men and women and for all racial and ethnic groups. Black women and men and American Indian and Alaska Native women and men are significantly more likely than white women and men to be killed by police. Latino men are also more likely to be killed by police than are white men."

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

 

[Deleted2797112]

It's much more pleasant to think the person telling you that you're posting racist nonsense is doing it because they've a nasty person who wants you to be sad. Rather than looking at what you typed and considering if they were right. You're latched onto the perceived insult and ignoring that what you said was racist twaddle.

I'm certainly not sad. A bit surprised maybe. And there was no perceived insult. It was an insult. Your intention in writing it was not benign.
It is a fact that there has been a significantly greater incidence of BAME community members breaching lockdown in London and it is a fact that the BAME community have experienced greater mortality from Covid-19. I didn't create these situations and I can't help that you don't like these facts.

 

[Notch7]

and it is a fact that the BAME community have experienced greater mortality from Covid-19.

yes it is a fact that a higher % of people in essential jobs where risk of infection is raised are people from the BAME community. Bus drivers, cleaners, NHS nurses etc etc.

It is a fact that there has been a significantly greater incidence of BAME community members breaching lockdown in London

is there?

perhaps they are more likely to live in high rise flats or have to take the bus.

 

[Brigadier]

Isn't it a cruel irony that footballers, nfl players , even members of the public, are "taking the knee" in memory of a man who died under the knee?