Covid Passports Confirmed

[charliegolf]

IT minion says it will be too expensive.

Only if you have to go and buy a printer. End of the day, whatever is used it will need to be accepted as authentic data. If NHS can put yours on a sim card at your request, you can have an account from which you can take a print.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Duplicated post

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Maybe there’ll be two levels - domestic and international. Surely if those countries accept our passport, they could accept a Covid visa that is attached to that passport.

The country of destination issue visas, not the country of passport origin.

There are seven eight main problems I see with such Vaccination passports:
A vaccination does not prove a lack of infection.
A vaccination may not protect against any new variant.
The passport has a very limited life.
The cost of setting up and implementing such a scheme would not be borne by the government, so individual participants would be financing the scheme.
It does create a discriminatory effect, those that can afford it benefit, those that cannot afford it are discriminated against.
The passport always has the option of being exploited for other 'governmental' reasons.
Any database can be exploited for nefarious activity.
How can a vaccination passport be validated by the receiving country?

 

[Mottie]

Well, you can get a government issued code for say, a hire car company to check your diving licence entitlements so why not a similar database for Covid vaccination? It would be very simple.

 

[charliegolf]

The country of destination issue visas, not the country of passport origin.

There are seven main problems I see with such Vaccination passports:
A vaccination does not prove a lack of infection. They won't care, it's about risk management not eradication
A vaccination may not protect against any new variant. They won't care, it's about risk management not eradication
The passport has a very limited life. They won't care, it's about risk management not eradication
The cost of setting up and implementing such a scheme would not be borne by the government, so individual participants would be financing the scheme.They won't care, it's about risk management not eradication
It does create a discriminatory effect, those that can afford it benefit, those that cannot afford it are discriminated against. They won't care, it's about risk management not eradication
The passport always has the option of being exploited for other 'governmental' reasons. They won't care, it's about risk management not eradication
Any database can be exploited for nefarious activity. They won't care, it's about risk management not eradication

'They' being the countries of destination you opened with; who want to open (when THEY feel it appropriate).

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The French wouldn't, contrary bunch the French.

I see transam has been successful in radicalising other gullible people to his racist diatribe against the French.
I always said racism is infectious. If some posters are allowed to be racist continually and persistently, it is not surprising that other gullible people will mimic their racist behaviour, and more racists will be attracted to the forum.
My point is proven.

 

[Mottie]

The country of destination issue visas, not the country of passport origin.

There are seven main problems I see with such Vaccination passports:
A vaccination does not prove a lack of infection.
A vaccination may not protect against any new variant.
The passport has a very limited life.
The cost of setting up and implementing such a scheme would not be borne by the government, so individual participants would be financing the scheme.
It does create a discriminatory effect, those that can afford it benefit, those that cannot afford it are discriminated against.
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Okay then Mr pedantic, a Covid PASSPORT could be added to your standard passport.
BTW, a U.K. driving licence doesn’t prove you can drive on the other side of the road and guarantee that you won’t have an accident, break the speed limit, drive dangerously. It’s just that the probability is that you won’t. Same thing with a Covid passport. Would you say that those that can’t afford a passport or can’t afford driving lessons to enable them to drive a motor vehicle are being discriminated against? How picky do you want to be? Nothing suits everyone.

 

[Mottie]

How can a vaccination passport be validated by the receiving country?

Same way as a normal passport I’d imagine.

 

[Ihavenojob]

With the covid passport, would it be mandatory ? I can see that happening, and while they're at it, they could add more data about the individual onto it, and it would end up like a UK national identification card. "Paperz please, vere are your paperz?"

 

[IT Minion]

Same way as a normal passport I’d imagine.

There is a friendly 23 page document showing how to do that here. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/basic-passport-checks

There is a hell of a lot of work spent making them hard to forge, we'd need similar for the Covid-19 paper copies. Digital ones are simpler as you can have a process where you validate a one-time use code with a service that avoids sending sensitive data around.

Digital is better.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Well, you can get a government issued code for say, a hire car company to check your diving licence entitlements so why not a similar database for Covid vaccination? It would be very simple.

How do foreign countries validate this 'code'?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

'They' being the countries of destination you opened with; who want to open (when THEY feel it appropriate).

So, simples, the countries that require a vaccination passport issue them on request, juts like visas are issued, by the destination country.
Those that want to visit those countries apply for a vaccination passport from those countries, and pay for it.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

People have to pay for passports, having a phone with a free app isn't a massive extra demand in the modern world.

A smart phone is an expensive burden that many don't want - myself included. Also there are many older people who would struggle with this type of technology. Bad enough being forced into having the jab without being forced to have Apple products that seem to turn their owners into screen-staring zombies.

Also I would guess that the biggest enthusiasts for pub passports hardly, if ever, even enter one. If they're that scared, perhaps they should stay down behind the sofa at home, gloved, double-masked plus a visor (just in case). Leave the nasty outside world to freedom lovers who aren't paranoid.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Okay then Mr pedantic, a Covid PASSPORT could be added to your standard passport.
BTW, a U.K. driving licence doesn’t prove you can drive on the other side of the road and guarantee that you won’t have an accident, break the speed limit, drive dangerously. It’s just that the probability is that you won’t. Same thing with a Covid passport. Would you say that those that can’t afford a passport or can’t afford driving lessons to enable them to drive a motor vehicle are being discriminated against? How picky do you want to be? Nothing suits everyone.

But a visa is easily validated by the visited country, they issued it with a unique identifier. They can check their own systems to ensure it's valid.
They can't check the systems of another country to ensure it's valid.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Same way as a normal passport I’d imagine.

So an international convention is organised, and a set pattern is agreed upon. That'll probably take a few moths/years.