Immigrants welcome in Poland, illegal immigrants no chance ......

[JP_]

Assuming said house is safe, why would the person fleeing feel the need to move on to houses further down the street?

Maybe they were offered accommodation? Not all people seeking asylum have no contacts - some will have friends here who have already offered a bed and food for them.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Maybe they were offered accommodation? Not all people seeking asylum have no contacts - some will have friends here who have already offered a bed and food for them.

But is that the way seeking asylum is supposed to work? Your scenario could mean a sort of pyramid model where more and more head for the UK because more and more of them know each other, if that makes sense?

 

[Stivino]

I thought the idea was that they stop in the first country that will give them safe haven?
It seems that most, if not all of them, pass through many such countries in order to get to The U.K..

 

[JP_]

But is that the way seeking asylum is supposed to work? Your scenario could mean a sort of pyramid model where more and more head for the UK because more and more of them know each other, if that makes sense?

Except that they do not just come to the UK, in fact, the UK gets the fewest asylum seekers of the largest European nations.

"Where do asylum applicants go to?
The highest number of first-time asylum applicants in the second quarter of 2021 was registered in Germany (with 29 545 first-time applicants, or 28 % of all first-time applicants in the EU Member States), followed by France (22 015, or 21 %), Spain (12 335, or 12 %) and Italy (8 010, or 8 %). These four Member States together account for more than two-thirds (69 %) of all first-time applicants in the EU (Table 2)."
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/stati...ly_report#Where_do_asylum_applicants_go_to.3F


"European context
In 2020, there were around 6 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 11 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. When compared with EU countries, the UK ranked 14th out of the individual countries in terms of the number of asylum applications per capita."
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

"The number one reason we hear for refugees continuing their journey to the UK is that they have family ties here. In fact, this covers at least 50% of cases(1). Family ties run deep, especially when you have lost everything else."
https://care4calais.org/the-refugee-crisis/why-dont-refugees-stay-in-the-first-safe-country/

 

[AngleEyes]

However, and I like to think I hold a reasonably balanced view around the whole thing, why are these people (fleeing persecution and the like) not content to stop their journey at the first country where they can claim asylum? Maybe not the best analogy, but imagine someone flees an abusive partner. They run to the house next door for shelter and safety. Assuming said house is safe, why would the person fleeing feel the need to move on to houses further down the street?

Or they phone up their Mum see if they can go there, or ask a friend if they can sofa surf, or move to another town into a women's refuge, etc, etc.
But they frequently go where their abusive partner is least likely to find them.

 

[AngleEyes]

You still don't get it! Do you seriously think that I am saying that there are no white child abusers?

I know exactly what you are saying, you are saying that the white men are disproportionately under represented in the sex offender category.
But the data does not support your view. Therefore your view is a biased opinion based on bigotry and supposition.

 

[AngleEyes]

(Us right wingers are always hopeful, not hateful as we are portrayed).

Anyone who propagates hatred can be described as hateful.

 

[AngleEyes]

the people coming here by boat are refugees.

they come mostly from: Syria, Eritrea, Yemen, Iran, Iraq
they are fleeing war or persecution.

people don’t give their life savings to criminals to get to Britain because they think they can get £5.76 a day on the social.

I was being sarcastic.

 

[AngleEyes]

I thought the idea was that they stop in the first country that will give them safe haven?
It seems that most, if not all of them, pass through many such countries in order to get to The U.K..

You thought wrong. There is no requirement for them to do anything of the sort.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Lol. OK, so, how do you know these people are not refugees? Are the children and babies in the boats also economic migrants?

WTF is Himmy? Are you delirious?

Jeez! The pictures you posted had a caption underneath saying they were 'migrants' - a 'migrant' is not a refugee. Is comprehension not your thing?

Here, I'll help you understand even further -

migrant
/ˈmʌɪɡr(ə)nt/


noun
noun: migrant; plural noun: migrants

1. 1.
   a person who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions.
   h
   Similar:
   immigrant

1. streety
2. 2.
   an animal that migrates.

adjective
adjective: migrant
tending to migrate or having migrated.
"migrant birds"


If they've already turned down France and a host of other perfectly safe European countries and paid people smugglers lots of dosh they are migrants. The description above fits their motives. This is the last time I can explain this to you.

And Himmy was then Bobby Dazzler and now his latest incarnation is AngleEyes. He's a pc zealot and raving nut job. He's also just gone on ignore along with his dozen previous user names.

 

[AngleEyes]

Jeez! The pictures you posted had a caption underneath saying they were 'migrants' - a 'migrant' is not a refugee. Is comprehension not your thing?

Like I said, it's the narrative promoted by the media.

And Himmy was then Bobby Dazzler and now his latest incarnation is AngleEyes. He's a pc zealot and raving nut job. He's also just gone on ignore along with his dozen previous user names.

Aah, bless. ReganandCarter can't take a bit of correcting of his bigoted attitude. Poor sensitive bigoted snow flake.
Could someone pass the word along, as he claims to be not seeing my posts, which is kind of good in a way, I can go on correcting his bigoted attitude without his pathetic moaning.

 

[Notch7]

If they've already turned down France and a host of other perfectly safe European countries and paid people smugglers lots of dosh they are migrants. The description above fits their motives. This is the last time I can explain this to you

Your description of migrant is “especially in order to find work or better living conditions”

But refugees reaching the UK from EU countries can’t work and they don’t get better living conditions.

So the description doesn’t fit their motives.

If you don’t want them here, it’s reasonable to argue no other country should take them either.

So what’s the solution?

 

[Notch7]

Like I said, it's the narrative promoted by the media.




Aah, bless. ReganandCarter can't take a bit of correcting of his bigoted attitude. Poor sensitive bigoted snow flake.
Could someone pass the word along, as he claims to be not seeing my posts, which is kind of good in a way, I can go on correcting his bigoted attitude without his pathetic moaning.

I understand that people are worried about these people arriving and would wish they weren’t.

but not wanting them in the UK doesn’t mean the problem goes away.

And these are real people, it’s convenient to dehumanise them, it absolves responsibility.

 

[transam]

The UK along with others is considering or are in talks about
Setting up holding camps in another country for migrants / refugees

in order to sort out the riff raff and dodgy from the genuine refugees

dare say there will be a financial inducement for said holding country

that Kim bloke in North Korea is short of a few squid

 

[fillyboy]

There is nothing illegal about arriving on the shores of another country and claiming asylum, however you arrive.
The very fact that you think it is illegal illustrates how the narrative in permeated.
If there is no other way, then it stands to reason that people will resort to more dangerous ways to arrive and claim asylum.

If a person sneaks into or arrives in this country without the proper papers, that is an illegal act, they are illegal immigrants. WHEN they claim asylum, they are no longer classed as illegal whilst their case is being heard. They are 'illegal' up to the point they claim asylum.