Can't get the staff

[JP_]

How come if you have enough cash you can see a doctor almost immediately.

??????

Money talks. With enough cash you can have a live in doctor and nurse.

 

[Justin Passing]

very interesting, I heard Jeremy Hunt on the radio yest saying "Uk now spends similar levels to other European nations"

Well in 2017 Germany spent 52% more per head.

Have we increased, or do we intend to increase, spending on the NHS by half, or a similar figure?
??

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No, and the German expenditure will have gone up as well.

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theirs has gone up about 25% 2017 - 22 so theirs is still about as much higher than ours as it was.


Whereas Health spending as a % of GDP more healthy:

That is certainly similar to European countries. It begs the question, do different countries deliver better value for money?

 

[Mottie]

Charlie is right, we need to make use of our own people rather than importing from other countries, and for everything, not just the NHS.

Schools should go back to the old days and have craft blocks in them. Carpentry, metalwork, plumbing, bricklaying and general building/painting/tiling/decorating skills. Get kids interested and give them a taste of that type of work before leaving school.

 

[ajohn]

Whereas Health spending as a % of GDP more healthy:

The problem with relationships using GDP is that it doesn't relate to per capita sepnding which is the important factor really. Also capital invested related to that. Survays of the NHS has shown that they use gear that should have been thrown away years ago, The ventilators provided for the nightingale may have come out of a museum. Fortunately not used at all.

The Scandinavian countries have excellent health care and from working in Sweden a support system that works when people need it.

 

[ajohn]

Carpentry, metalwork, plumbing,

They might hurt themselves. No idea how I survived. There seems to e a bit of an improvement - tots with sharp knives, Scandinavian idea. Chopping up vegetables. Wide spread or not - pass.

 

[Notch7]

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[Deleted member 18243]

The NHS would be far better off without Blair's 10 million, most of whom fill our hospitals and GPs' waiting rooms daily claiming all the free stuff they're entitled to. We might be able to get an appointment then; but no, immigration will continue to rise and continue to overwhelm our services.

In any case, we shouldn't be venerating the NHS as we do. It's as if the NHS is the only product of the nation. We should be MAKING STUFF and educating people to MAKE STUFF - clothes, food, fuel, beer, heavy industry, light industry, beer, bicycles, crisps, carpets, beer and more beer etc.

 

[charliegolf]

Schools should go back to the old days and have craft blocks in them. Carpentry, metalwork, plumbing, bricklaying and general building/painting/tiling/decorating skills. Get kids interested and give them a taste of that type of work before leaving school.

Handy too, if you want to be a nurse or doctor!

 

[JohnD]

Charlie is right, we need to make use of our own people rather than importing from other countries, and for everything, not just the NHS.

I'm still waiting for those brexers to start cockle-collecting and apple-picking.

britains agriculture is in crisis due to shortage of workers

why hasn't mottie gone back to picking hops?

 

[Justin Passing]

The problem with relationships using GDP is that it doesn't relate to per capita sepnding which is the important factor really. Also capital invested related to that. Survays of the NHS has shown that they use gear that should have been thrown away years ago, The ventilators provided for the nightingale may have come out of a museum. Fortunately not used at all.

The Scandinavian countries have excellent health care and from working in Sweden a support system that works when people need it.

That's why I gave per capita............................. keep up!

 

[JohnD]

most of whom fill our hospitals and GPs' waiting rooms daily claiming all the free stuff they're entitled to.

you're talking about the elderly british, who need more medical care, more often, for longer, at greater expense

we'd be better off with a few hard-working, healthy young people.

if nothing else, some of them will be the hospital staff and care workers to look after our many old and sick.

 

[JP_]

How's many times do some people need reminding that immigrants tend to contribute more to the state than they take?

So blaming immigrants for British problems!

 

[Deleted member 174758]

There is talk of putting medical people from other countries through less hoops if they come here. Depends on where they were trained.

There is a big but - more doctors and nurses etc increase running costs

Not really. If instead of employing over-priced agency staff you employ cards-in staff it always costs less. In addition the cost to the economy of having so many people not in work through untreated illness is enormous

 

[Deleted member 174758]

That is certainly similar to European countries. It begs the question, do different countries deliver better value for money?

The answer is probably yes - because they don't have so many private sector parasites feeding off them