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In France any vessel of more than 2.5m or having propulsion of greater than 6hp must be registered.
News to me having owned 2 in the UK and are you sure it applies to inflatables. Also 5hp in the sea even inshore? I'd have thought more would be needed or at least advisable.

It would be safer to intercept them when only a few 100m/miles off the French coast
Perhaps issue the French with waders or scuba gear and something to pull them along?

Exceedingly fast boats to get them to the boats? Aviation jet powered hydrofoils maybe?
 
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Its an assumption, but its not reasonable. It would be safer to intercept them when only a few 100m/miles off the French coast than risk them crossing various traffic separation and precautionary zones (shipping lanes).

You can't just knock up a "passenger/commercial ship" and register it. There is a little more to it than that. Nobody would pass those vessels as safe.
The vessel itself is registered, not the intended voyage. The vessel can be registered as safe. It's how it is used, on that occasion, that makes it unsafe.
To attempt to board a boat, that does not want to be boarded is unsafe in anything more than 1 metre depth of water. I'm pretty sure that includes all the water up to 100 miles or so off the French coast.

not correct. As I posted before. In France any vessel of more than 2.5m or having propulsion of greater than 6hp must be registered.
It can be registered by the seller or the manufacturer. Job done!

In addition any vessel used to carry more than 12 people is classed as a passenger ship and must be registered, coded and piloted as such.
You've already told us that these inflatables are only registered for about 6 people. :rolleyes:
You need to stop hopping about from pillar to post and get your arguments lined up so that they're integrated, and follow logically.

Not to mention the Schengen, migration and trafficking offences.
What Schengen, migration and trafficking offences are contravened by asylum seekers?
It isn't an offence "to be trafficked".
I was talking to a couple of Polish people yesterday, they live in France, and frequently visit their relatives in Poland. They are not requested, nor required to produce their passports once during their 36 hour drive, crossing four countries, from France to Poland, and return.
So these potential asylum seekers could be classed as illegal immigrants to EU. They could simply claim asylum if they're arrested. But as they're just passing through, what's the point of arresting them and trying, probably unsuccessfully, to prosecute them.
You appear to assume that the French and other EU countries have vast amounts of untapped Police and judicial reserves. Meanwhile UK fails to respond to serious reported crimes due to lack of resources.
Why shouldn't UK take its fair share of asylum seekers. It's enacting internationally illegal laws and making internationally despicable agreements in order to circumvent its responsibilities.
 
You have intentionally misquoted an article which you yourself posted to make it more sensationalist. There is a word for that...
You found (what you thought was) a lie in a side issue in my post, and magnified it to divert attention from the main issue. It's all you ever do.
Crack on, it won't stop me calling out your continual lies and murderous intent.
You didn't answer the question so you are now in the communist ignore area, where you can read Das Kapital with John D, IT Minion and AngleEyes/Patex to your hearts' content.
 
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He has you on ignore noseall

Due to your ***t behaviour :ROFLMAO:
I haven't got Nosey on ignore as I don't take him that seriously. He is fine on certain subjects and is a book lover, but on politics he never says much more than slogans, and rarely makes a full sentence.

Examples: "Gammon flag shagger"; "Nonsense"; "Putin apologist" and his all time classic "Brexit is a pile of poo".
 
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This is where a lot of your tax money is going in these straitened times.

Struggling to pay your bills and keep house and home together? You mugs!
 
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The vessel itself is registered, not the intended voyage.
Two separate legal requirements. Another 5 minutes of googling needed "Regulation 34 - Safe navigation and avoidance of dangerous situations"

The vessel can be registered as safe. It's how it is used, on that occasion, that makes it unsafe.
Again separate process for registering a leisure craft (under / over 7m) and a passenger vessel.
For a leisure vessel, photo ID is needed along with reporting future sales. What people trafficker is going to want to present his ID to register the vessel. Passenger vessels (vessels designed to carry more than 12 people or fee paying passengers) needed additional registration and safety checks.

To attempt to board a boat, that does not want to be boarded is unsafe in anything more than 1 metre depth of water.
It's entirely possible and done regularly.
You've already told us that these inflatables are only registered for about 6 people.
I don't believe I have said anything of the sort. These inflatables are custom made for singe use and "designed" to carry more than 12 people.

You need to stop hopping about from pillar to post and get your arguments lined up so that they're integrated, and follow logically.
Hands up who has registered boats in France and who is making it up as they go along?

What Schengen, migration and trafficking offences are contravened by asylum seekers?
To be an Asylum seeker, one has to claim Asylum. Up until that point they (the adults) are all criminals having, entered France illegally, assisted those entering illegally and or trafficked those in doing so. If they have claimed asylum in France, they would be returned to France upon arrival unless they are now claiming Asylum from France, which seems unlikely.

I was talking to a couple of Polish people yesterday, they live in France, and frequently visit their relatives in Poland. They are not requested, nor required to produce their passports once during their 36 hour drive, crossing four countries, from France to Poland, and return.
So these potential asylum seekers could be classed as illegal immigrants to EU.
They could simply claim asylum if they're arrested. But as they're just passing through, what's the point of arresting them and trying, probably unsuccessfully, to prosecute them.
Do you understand what the Schengen Zone is? Your Polish Friends travel from France, to Poland, probably via Germany all of which are in the zone. Last time I checked. Albania, Africa, the Middle East etc are not part of the Schengen zone or the EU. Therefore passports must be stamped on entry and where necessary visas applied for, failure to do so is an offence.

You appear to assume that the French and other EU countries have vast amounts of untapped Police and judicial reserves. Meanwhile UK fails to respond to serious reported crimes due to lack of resources.
Why shouldn't UK take its fair share of asylum seekers. It's enacting internationally illegal laws and making internationally despicable agreements in order to circumvent its responsibilities.
No I am challenging the view that the only response possible for the French police, now partially funded by UK tax payers, is a Gallic Shrug. It seems when the discussion of budget increases was on the table, they sprang into life and tear gassed a few boat people while being filmed by the media. Their responses seem to dart from one extreme to the other.

They also seem happy to fine ex-pats living in France with British passports for Schengen violations.
 
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The following evil migrant profiteering companies are asking all private landlords for help in advance of the coming hordes.




This is where a lot of your tax money is going in these straitened times.

Struggling to pay your bills and keep house and home together? You mugs!
So instead of shooting asylum seekers, as they arrive on the beach, you'd prefer to deny them accommodation (which is in contravention of the UNHCR), and force them to live on the streets. Anything else (apart from your frequent denial to life) that you think the UNHCR is too generous?
Perhaps we could deny them food as well?

This situation would not have arisen if the Government had planned properly, instead of the right-wing ideology of trying to make asylum seeking illegal.

It's not the tax-payers that are mugs, it's you, as an extreme violent xenophobe, that persistently posts your fomenting of violent acts against asylum seekers, that is the problem.
 
News to me having owned 2 in the UK and are you sure it applies to inflatables. Also 5hp in the sea even inshore? I'd have thought more would be needed or at least advisable.
There is no requirement in the UK to register small ships under 24m, these are French laws being discussed. In the UK the register is voluntary unless you are planning to use the craft on inland water ways or commercially. TBH its worth the bother for the small fee (see Small Ships Register Part 3) as its a lot easier if you take your boat out of inshore waters.

In France anything up to 2.5M/6.1hp is exempt. That is your typical tender designed to get you to your swing mooring or ashore from an anchor. The Vessels being used to illegally traffick migrants are typically over 6-8m with 15hp motors and designed to carry at least 12-30 passengers. In the UK (as well as France) these are classed as passenger vessels. They need to be commercially coded and operated by a commercially endorsed skipper.
 
Two separate legal requirements. Another 5 minutes of googling needed "Regulation 34 - Safe navigation and avoidance of dangerous situations"
It's pointless quoting regulations that should be observed by the 'master' of the boats. There is no 'master' of these boats. It's a pointless and money wasting exercise trying to apprehend and prosecute these imaginary 'masters'.

Again separate process for registering a leisure craft (under / over 7m) and a passenger vessel.
For a leisure vessel, photo ID is needed along with reporting future sales. What people trafficker is going to want to present his ID to register the vessel. Passenger vessels (vessels designed to carry more than 12 people or fee paying passengers) needed additional registration and safety checks.
Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush......
The manufacturer or seller can register the boat. Job done!
Or the boat can be ordered on line, or bought in Belgium, Germany, etc.
It's pointless quoting regulations that are easily circumvented.
You've told us before that the inflatables are only registered for 6 passengers, so why introduce the regulation for more than 12? :rolleyes:

It's entirely possible and done regularly.
Please present any articles that show that boats overloaded with asylum seekers are regularly boarded against their wishes.
Your may be true for boats used for smuggling large amounts of contraband, and the only thing endangered is the contraband, not the passengers.

I don't believe I have said anything of the sort. These inflatables are custom made for singe use and "designed" to carry more than 12 people.
You frequently talk of 7 metre inflatables. That's your guess of the length of the boast used. A 5 metre inflatable is registered for 6 people. Then you talk of "custom -made" and "adapted". I'm sure the smugglers are going to the extreme to order "custom-made" boats, or adapting everyday common or garden varieties for asylum seekers. Your arguments get more desperate each time.

Hands up who has registered boats in France and who is making it up as they go along?
Ahh bless, call a poll! :rolleyes: Like I said, your arguments get more desperate each time.
Having a registered boat in France does not make one an expert. I have a bicycle, I don't claim to be an expert on cycling, and definitely not on cycle racing, off-road, etc. I have a car, I don't claim to be an expert on motoring, nor all things associated with cars. :rolleyes:
I know people with boats in France, they're not all registered. And none of them consider themselves as experts on boating, nor asylum seekers.

To be an Asylum seeker, one has to claim Asylum.
Yes we know. They can't do that until they land in UK. What is your point?

Up until that point they (the adults) are all criminals having, entered France illegally, assisted those entering illegally and or trafficked those in doing so. If they have claimed asylum in France, they would be returned to France upon arrival unless they are now claiming Asylum from France, which seems unlikely.
Here comes that Mulberry bush again. :rolleyes:
So you think that France should apprehend , arrest and prosecute all potential asylum seekers? Do you think they have an infinite amount of resources? You appear to assume that they do, along with Spain, Greece, Turkey, etc.
On your argument, they didn't enter France illegally, they entered Greece, Spain, Turkey, etc illegally. Why should UK accept a few asylum seekers when they're the responsibility of Greece, Spain and Turkey. In fact let's just deport them all back to Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Ukraine, Libya, etc.

Your argument is a typical NIMBY argument devoid of any humanity. Your slogan should change from "they're illegal" to "we don't want them!" That would at least show your true colours.

Do you understand what the Schengen Zone is? Your Polish Friends travel from France, to Poland, probably via Germany all of which are in the zone. Last time I checked. Albania, Africa, the Middle East etc are not part of the Schengen zone or the EU. Therefore passports must be stamped on entry and where necessary visas applied for, failure to do so is an offence.
So Spain, Greece, Turkey, etc should be responsible for apprehending, arresting and prosecuting all asylum seekers. Typical inhumane NIMBYism.

No I am challenging the view that the only response possible for the French police, now partially funded by UK tax payers, is a Gallic Shrug. It seems when the discussion of budget increases was on the table, they sprang into life and tear gassed a few boat people while being filmed by the media. Their responses seem to dart from one extreme to the other.
And you argument is typical right-wing xenophobic blame everyone and everything else.

They also seem happy to fine ex-pats living in France with British passports for Schengen violations.
There is a safe and legal way for ex-pats living in France to hold a Carte de Sejour. That does not apply for asylum seekers. Your comparison is invalid.
The only way for an asylum seeker to claim asylum in UK is to arrive by any means possible.

The NIMBY, xenophobic, right-wing argument is like making cycling illegal, because it's not safe to cycle.
 
On a different point I actually feel sorry for this illegal imigrant

He was honest and it didn't work out too well for him.
sad story.

desperation leads people to take such risks and leaves them vulnerable to conmen.


I visited Albania in 2002 (Saranda), it was a real eye opener -it was in a terrible state, clearly extremely poor -it looked like images from USSR in communist times.

young people feel they have no opportunity, hence why they are leaving in droves


but we cant accommodate them in the UK
 
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