Vaccine and boosters adverse effects

[noseall]

What's not to like?

I can't think of, or have been shown a reason NOT to have the harmless vaccine.

 

[Brigadier]

The X years later argument is pretty weak. What vaccines have had Ill effects that have only appeared more than a few months later?

I'll give you a hint, they're listed at the bottom of this post.

mRNA vaccines have only been being administered for what, ten years?

And 'rona and influenza aside, only in trifling numbers IIRC.

 

[Notch7]

mRNA vaccines have only been being administered for what, ten years?

And 'rona and influenza aside, only in trifling numbers IIRC.

I hope thats not gonna give the nutters space to kick off

I can see rants about gene therapy any minute now....

 

[Brigadier]

Like I have said repeatedly, I had no qualms about my being jabbed and boosted, but I am also not blind to the possibility of long-term effects (which, obviously, won't become apparent in the short-term).

 

[IT Minion]

mRNA vaccines have only been being administered for what, ten years?

And 'rona and influenza aside, only in trifling numbers IIRC.

So, because they use mRNA they are utterly unlike all other vaccines. There's no plausible mechanism that makes them different after the initial immune response.

And of course some don't use mRNA of course. Astrazenica didn't.

It's a weak argument. But exactly what you'd expect modern day luddites to roll out. I appreciate you're playing devils advocate here.

 

[Brigadier]

So, because they use mRNA they are utterly unlike all other vaccines.

Which therefore renders your point - that no other previous vaccine has ever shown negative effects years afterwards - worthless.

I appreciate you're playing devils advocate here.

No, I'm keeping my eyes open to the future observations, be they good or bad.
Shoot or shout me down if you like, but I make my own decisions, and let others do the same.

 

[IT Minion]

Which therefore renders your point - that no other previous vaccine has ever shown negative effects years afterwards - worthless.




No, I'm keeping my eyes open to the future observations, be they good or bad.
Shoot or shout me down if you like, but I make my own decisions, and let others do the same.

No it doesn't.

There's a huge range of ways vaccines work, but essentially they all stimulate the immune system to react to infections and are purged from the body. There is nothing special about mRNA that implies it will do anything different.

Could there be an effect in 20 years? Yes, but aliens could invade tomorrow, they're about on the same level of probability.

And again, non mRNA vaccines.

 

[ellal]

I hope thats not gonna give the nutters space to kick off

So what's your definition of a 'nutter'?

Surely not someone who takes the time to look into an issue, and who has the ability to make an appropriate decision based on the proven/unproven facts as they see them?

 

[denso13]

Surely not someone who takes the time to look into an issue, and who has the ability to make an appropriate decision based on the proven/unproven facts as they see them?

Exactly what I did, and decided the vaccine made sense.

 

[gas112]

its fantastic how mrna tech has progressed the development of vaccines from sometimes decades to a mere matter of months
in the 3 years since covid look at all the other world beating vaccines we have got from it such as
.
.
.
.
.
.
mmm i will leave denso to fill it in

 

[ellal]

Exactly what I did, and decided the vaccine made sense.

Good for you...

But does that make you a 'nutter' given the lack of long term studies on all control groups?

And should you suffer from some health issue that was 'unforeseen', are you declaring that you would never question any negative health consequences as a result?

Would you want to sign a document as such?

Because big pharma have been given immunity should anything arise in the years to come!

 

[denso13]

Because big pharma have been given immunity should anything arise in the years to come!

No they haven't. That's why your decision making process is suspect. You spread lies.

 

[IT Minion]

137 different vaccines in development as of a year ago.

The mRNA vaccine development landscape for infectious diseases

Discover the world’s best science and medicine | Nature.com

www.nature.com

But since they aren't being funded by blank cheques to deal with a global pandemic they are progressing sequentially instead of following a crash development plan.

 

[gas112]

development so not on the market

 

[IT Minion]

development so not on the market

I'd say don't be so ****ing dense but I don't think you have a choice in it.

No, not on the market, because developing the vaccine component has never been the slow bit of making a vaccine. The slow bits are funding, getting a trial approved and slowly working through paperwork.

During the pandemic we threw admin staff and money at the vaccines and it worked. We wasted money on ones that failed that normal processes would have culled earlier in development, but that was ok. Now we're back to business as usual. Except the vaccine development component of the multi year process now takes weeks instead of months.

Look! Phase 2 trials for a cancer vaccine.

Moderna Announces Phase 2 Data on mRNA-4157/V940, an Investigational mRNA Personalized Cancer Vaccine, to be Presented at the 2023 AACR Annual Meeting

CAMBRIDGE, MA / ACCESSWIRE / March 14, 2023 / Moderna, Inc. (NASDAQ:MRNA), a biotechnology company pioneering messenger RNA (mRNA) therapeutics and vaccines, today announced that two abstracts on mRNA-4157/V940 an investigational mRNA personalized cancer vaccine, have been accepted for...

investors.modernatx.com

PS. It has been 2 years since the first mRNA vaccine was approved, not three.