Most adverse effects from Covid jabs not caused by vaccine

[IT Minion]

In shocking confirmation of what everyone knows, the majority of reported adverse effects from the Covid vaccines are nocebo effects and misreporting.

More than two-thirds of the common side-effects people experience after a Covid jab can be attributed to a negative version of the placebo effect rather than the vaccine itself, researchers claim.

Scientists in the US examined data from 12 clinical trials of Covid vaccines and found that the “nocebo effect” accounted for about 76% of all common adverse reactions after the first dose and nearly 52% after the second dose.

https://www.theguardian.com/science...eactions-not-caused-by-vaccine-study-suggests

Actual study here
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2788172

 

[ajohn]

One problem is the yellow card system. Every man and his dog is involved. Real problems get seen by medical professionals.

I am sure I have heard comments from people that are self fulfilled as too extreme and they are perfectly ok afterwards.

 

[gas112]

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...ditis-tops-list-covid-vaccine-injuries-teens/
Vaers /yellow card etc etc are not just reported by the cranky individual but by hospitals doctors nurses and various other health professionals and its widely accepted that only 10 percent of reactions get reported so even taking away the hypochondriacs it still leaves a massive number

 

[denso13]

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...ditis-tops-list-covid-vaccine-injuries-teens/

So what. Public self reporting along with lying doctors.

"VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind."

 

[IT Minion]

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...ditis-tops-list-covid-vaccine-injuries-teens/
Vaers /yellow card etc etc are not just reported by the cranky individual but by hospitals doctors nurses and various other health professionals and its widely accepted that only 10 percent of reactions get reported so even taking away the hypochondriacs it still leaves a massive number

Of course there's a massive number. We've vaccinated 40 million+ people so far in the UK.

But most of the adverse events logged arent because of a vaccine. To use anti vaxer terms: the adverse events are mostly 'with vaccine' not 'because of the vaccine'.

 

[gas112]

Of course there's a massive number. We've vaccinated 40 million+ people so far in the UK.

But most of the adverse events logged arent because of a vaccine. To use anti vaxer terms: the adverse events are mostly 'with vaccine' not 'because of the vaccine'.

you mean the same as dying with covid not because of it

 

[denso13]

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...ditis-tops-list-covid-vaccine-injuries-teens/

Nice website, "Children's Health Defense is an American activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine activities and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines".

Is there a list of these that antivaxxers can quote from?

 

[denso13]

you mean the same as dying with covid not because of it

Yea, pesky lying doctors...

 

[gas112]

Nice website, "Children's Health Defense is an American activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine activities and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines".

Is there a list of these that antivaxxers can quote from?

oh so your saying the links to the vaers numbers are lies then ?

 

[denso13]

oh so your saying the links to the vaers numbers are lies then ?

Well their headline is a blatant lie for one.

 

[gas112]

Well their headline is a blatant lie for one.

so you say

 

[IT Minion]

you mean the same as dying with covid not because of it

That is the reference yes. For someone who's apparently so brilliant they can see the underhanded plot behind 5G and Covid you do need things made very obvious don't you.

 

[denso13]

so you say

It's there in bold letters. Are you hard of reading?

 

[joe384]

"Long-term observations or follow-up data were not considered as outcomes in the meta-analysis, and neither were serious AEs"

So didn't look at things like miscarriages, heart attacks, myocarditis, deaths - the things people are actually concerned about?

And they pretty much confirmed what we already know - that the nocebo effect is a thing, and usually only accounts for mild AEs?

 

[IT Minion]

"Long-term observations or follow-up data were not considered as outcomes in the meta-analysis, and neither were serious AEs"

So didn't look at things like miscarriages, heart attacks, myocarditis, deaths - the things people are actually concerned about?

And they pretty much confirmed what we already know - that the nocebo effect is a thing, and usually only accounts for mild AEs?

Yes, this is mostly around the sheer level of guff that gets into the Yellow system.

It's reasonable to assume that some of the more significant AEs are also misattributed.

Miscarriages for example are really common without vaccination, 10-20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. The idea of the yellow card system is to report everything to pick up unexpected trends, but that means you need to log everything, just in case. So if it has no effect you'd see miscarriage listed, but you would have to look carefully to see if it is a greater than expected rate.