Flammable cladding

[Deleted member 294929]

They can't be expected to do anything more than look at the test results that the manufacturers produce and sometimes fake. Public sector bodies like fire and rescue and BC are an easy target for the inquiry.

If you know results are faked then shouldn't building control?

 

[blup]

If you know results are faked then shouldn't building control?

I'm referring to the grenfull inquiry, iirc lots of evidence that the companies involved withheld or changed performance data.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I think it's a bit harsh on the unskilled worker's that more than likely fitted the stuff. Blame needs to go to the management that hired them and above. And those who sold it.

By fitting it, i mean those that specified it and said it was OK to fit at heights where stricter rules apply (should have applied)

Bloke fitting what he is told to fit, bears no responsibility.

I worded it badly

 

[carmanmemoranda]

If you know results are faked then shouldn't building control?

If, and it is, if, then whoever faked any results should bear major responsibility.

Surely all anybody should have to do is look at the facts and figures from test results given. I wouldn't expect anybody to conduct their own tests.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

I was working Kilburn on 93 brand new flats ar this time. I see how easy it was to pull the wools over the eyes of building control. It was just their laziness that stopped them digging deeper and asked the right questions.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

By fitting it, i mean those that specified it and said it was OK to fit at heights where stricter rules apply (should have applied)

Bloke fitting what he is told to fit, bears no responsibility.

I worded it badly

This is why I've said on other threads that construction workers should be skill and knowledgeable.

I covered my arse every left right and centre with documented emails , when I was working on site.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

I wouldn't expect anybody to conduct their own tests.

If you dud you wouldn't have a job for long.

Managment don't like a pest.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

If you dud you wouldn't have a job for long.

Managment don't like a pest.

Irrelevant. The approval and analysis of the capabilities given is way before the material is on site

 

[carmanmemoranda]

This is why I've said on other threads that construction workers should be skill and knowledgeable.

I covered my arse every left right and centre with documented emails , when I was working on site.

Agree they should know how to fit it and be safe with it.

But

Nobody would expect anybody at the actual installation stage to know full details of the stuff they are being paid to fit. They were paid to fit what had already been approved.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Irrelevant. The approval and analysis of the capabilities given is way before the material is on site

So if you worked on site and you did your own test, that proved a product was dangerous. Then would that be irrelevant?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

So if you worked on site and you did your own test, that proved a product was dangerous. Then would that be irrelevant?

The practicality of doing that? Who is going to be able to organise such a test

You understand the numbers of people involved in getting to the stage of "Fred, fit this"

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Agree they should know how to fit it and be safe with it.

But

Nobody would expect anybody at the actual installation stage to know full details of the stuff they are being paid to fit. They were paid to fit what had already been approved.

If I was fitting a gas boiler I'd know if it was unfit for use!

 

[Deleted member 294929]

The practicality of doing that? Who is going to be able to organise such a test

You understand the numbers of people involved in getting to the stage of "Fred, fit this"

Refer to my post above

 

[carmanmemoranda]

If I was fitting a gas boiler I'd know if it was unfit for use!

That's a little different isn't it. And no doubt you will have been asked to specify what you are fitting, so you have a direct responsibility for that action.

Why haven't the people that specified this stuff had that same level of responsibility applied

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Refer to my post above

Irrelevant