Incorrect Speed Limit Change Signage?

[securespark]

On the A34 near us on the Cheadle/ Manchester border.

It has for decades been a 40 zone, but recently has been changed to 30.

But the sign where it goes down to 30 is a pair of these, either side of the carriageway:

Surely there should be a pair of larger 30 signs?

 

[Mottie]

I think they just have to have two signs that denotes a speed limit change with no limits on size. All the better to catch you out……

 

[mointainwalker]

I have no particular knowledge of regulations regarding signs, but if they clearly mark the new speed , why do you (legally ) belive it should be different?

 

[pcaouolte]

Are there street lights? They may not need any signs at all as in areas of street lighting (other than on motorways), a speed limit of 30 mph applies unless signs show otherwise.

 

[johnny2007]

You should see what they've done around here.
They lowered the speed limits just before cameras on roads that have always been 40 or 50.
People are used to that, there's nothing around, no lights, no intersections, but all of a sudden you have a mini sign dropping the limit and a camera 20 yards after.
The local authorities are making millions.

 

[Munroast]

On the A34 near us on the Cheadle/ Manchester border.

It has for decades been a 40 zone, but recently has been changed to 30.

But the sign where it goes down to 30 is a pair of these, either side of the carriageway:

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Surely there should be a pair of larger 30 signs?

why is that large enough ? if someone can not read that then they should not be driving due to defective eye sight, or without due care and attention..

 

[Murdochcat]

From what I see very few people observe speed limits any more

 

[johnny2007]

From what I see here in London, the majority of drivers are so scared of being fined that they go under 20mph everywhere.
It's now a lot quicker to go on a bike and that's what those in power want.
I'm thinking of getting a horse for local trips, at least I'd have some fun.

 

[securespark]

I have no particular knowledge of regulations regarding signs, but if they clearly mark the new speed , why do you (legally ) belive it should be different?

I believe (unless the regulations have changed) that when there is a change of speed limit, the signs should be the larger type, then (unless a 30 zone with street lamps at the prescribed intervals) there should be smaller repeaters.

Are there street lights? They may not need any signs at all as in areas of street lighting (other than on motorways), a speed limit of 30 mph applies unless signs show otherwise.

As I said, for decades, it has been a 40 zone and only in the last few weeks has it been downgraded to a 30 zone.

why is that large enough ? if someone can not read that then they should not be driving due to defective eye sight, or without due care and attention..

It's not about that. It's about following the correct legislation, regulations etc.

When the A555 opened near us in 1995, the correct paperwork was not completed which meant that no speed limit was enforceable on the road until much later when the gaffe was discovered.

Manchester City Council have a history of making hundreds of thousands of pounds from bus lane infractions in the city centre where there is woefully inadequate signage that would give motorists the opportunity to avoid being caught out.

I believe that, if the regulations have not changed, the existing signage is incorrect and therefore any speeding fines would not stand up in a court of law.

It's a technicality, but, to be fair, if that's what the law says, it should be done that way.

It's the sort of thing that Nick "Mr Loophole" Freeman would look for to get people off.

 

[securespark]

 

[Munroast]

I believe (unless the regulations have changed) that when there is a change of speed limit, the signs should be the larger type, then (unless a 30 zone with street lamps at the prescribed intervals) there should be smaller repeaters.


As I said, for decades, it has been a 40 zone and only in the last few weeks has it been downgraded to a 30 zone.


It's not about that. It's about following the correct legislation, regulations etc.

When the A555 opened near us in 1995, the correct paperwork was not completed which meant that no speed limit was enforceable on the road until much later when the gaffe was discovered.

Manchester City Council have a history of making hundreds of thousands of pounds from bus lane infractions in the city centre where there is woefully inadequate signage that would give motorists the opportunity to avoid being caught out.

I believe that, if the regulations have not changed, the existing signage is incorrect and therefore any speeding fines would not stand up in a court of law.

It's a technicality, but, to be fair, if that's what the law says, it should be done that way.

It's the sort of thing that Nick "Mr Loophole" Freeman would look for to get people off.

just drive a bit slower, you know what the speed limit is, follow it - stop looking for excuses to 'drive fast'

 

[securespark]

I'm not.

I don't drive anymore.

I told you. I'm talking about a technicality, but if that's how the law says it should be done, that's how it should be done.

 

[norseman]

Apparently repeater signs are not allowed on roads with a 30mph restriction, something I can never understand as that seems totally at odds with any 'speed awareness' scheme.

 

[Brigadier]

Has anyone:

- noticed
- got an explanation for

the large number of speed signs nowadays that have been (roughly) spray-painted over in silver-grey?

As it is extremely common (at least, around here and IME), I presumed it was something "official", like during roadworks, but they've never been cleaned off and returned to "as were".

 

[EFLImpudence]

Apparently repeater signs are not allowed on roads with a 30mph restriction, something I can never understand as that seems totally at odds with any 'speed awareness' scheme.

That can't be true.

If it was, when would the repeaters ever be used?