Speed Limits

[Mw Roofline]

Check out the panic braking in this BBC Vid

 

[Shytalkz]

The tax raised by cameras is negligible. Even if it wasn't I'm all in favour of speeding idiots subsidising the law abiding majority. Aren't you?

Speeding in built up areas, or outside schools/anywhere where there is a high concentration of pedestrians, yes. Driving like a loony in fog or other adverse weather conditions, yes. Other than those situations, no. Speed by itself does not kill: inappropriate use of it is the problem.

Yes I would like noisy motor bikes banned wouldn't you?

No.

Imagine if the whole population rode them - we'd all be deaf by now.

Oh puhleez, ifs and ands and pots and pans. There are plenty of other sources of noise, far more intrusive and potentially damaging, than the odd bike blatting past with loud cans. I like the noise of my cans so much, I don't even wear earplugs these days, just so I can revel in the noise they make . And I'm not deaf...did someone say something??

Why should some uncaring egotist be allowed to barrel down the road making noise pollution for no good reason? If there is a good reason - let's have it - we'll all take our car exhausts off to celebrate.

Having been smashed off my bike and badly busted up by a prat in a car, with my lights on and a race can - and she still apparently didn't hear or see me - no, I don't have a problem with them and never have done. To me and many others, there's nothing like the sound of a bike and the louder the better; heyho, each to their own, eh? There's nothing egotistical at all about it: if at least one dozy car driver hears you, when otherwise they wouldn't have and would had had you off, then that's a big plus in my view. Personally, I don't have a problem with loud exhausts on cars either (sauce for the goose and all that); conversely, bloody lawnmowers on a sunny Sunday afternoon, car stereos banging out a monotonous beat and yapping dogs **** me off greatly. We are all different. Thank f**k.

If car drivers weren't generally such complete pillocks, cocooned in their safety cages, with the stereo on, looking at satnav, chatting and doing everything but concentrating on their driving, then bikers wouldn't have the excuse of loud cans as a potential safety aid to fall back on.

Before you accuse me of being some obnoxious uncaring hooligan on a bike with a tiny numberplate and illegal cans, I am also a car driver and have passed both the IAM and ROSPA advanced driving tests and I don't ride like a loony. Just fast, when I consider it safe enough, both to myself and other road users, to do so. Just like the vast majority of bikers, really.

I just happen to like biking. A lot - and a lot more than being sat in my car in horrendous queues invariably caused by underfunding of the road infrastructure - despite the gross percentage of all our motoring costs that go to the Treasury - when I can just breeze past the lot of you, with a big smile on my face. Am I causing congestion and the consequential pollution that that brings with it on my bike - err no.

And yes, common sense says restrict manufacturers on engine size and performance.

And "common sense" would no doubt say why have motorbikes at all, why put yourself at any risk whatsoever?

Oil is running out - what mountain top do you live on?

Yep, oil is running out and...here in the sticks, there is no other alternative. I work from home, so I don't commute to work, thus I feel justified in taking my bike out for a blat - occasionally, I even use it for work, wahey. Best of all, it's owned by the company and I got the VAT back on it. Which paid for the Termis..

So it's up to you. Cut services - or raise taxes. Lets fine the idiots to subsidise the rest.

That would wash if we didn't have the amount of bottom feeders that we do in parliament, feathering their own nests and spouting "don't do as I do, do as I say". There would also be slightly more credence if they managed to bring the tax burden down. Let's take Spain for an example: four times the land mass, less than 2/3 the population, no rfl and fuel 2/3 the price that it is here. Yet they manage to build roads, maintain them, make new ones. How so? And it's not by personal taxation levels being higher, either, it's broadly the same as it is here.

 

[joe-90]

Unless you can change the laws of science (kinetic energy) then speed is a mugs game. Higher speed - massive increase in kinetic energy. Plus - longer braking distance, longer reaction time/distance. Sooner or later you'll end in a box.

Your only argument seems to be that if a loony minority want to do something stupid it's 'alright'. Thankfully we have people making laws to prevent such goons killing themselves and other people.

There's little point arguing with those that have no intention of seeing the truth.

 

[Shytalkz]

If you hit someone or something at a high speed you'll likely kill them or yourself. Isn't that reason enough to slow down? If a family member were killed by a speeding idiot - bet you'd change your mind PDQ.

Like I said, innapropriate use of speed is the cause of a proportion of accidents/deaths. It is not the sole reason, far from it.

And no I wouldn't change my mind and, yes, I have lost people close to me through accidents. Just as getting biffed off my bike didn't make me put it away and wrap myself in cotton wool, sh*t happens (helped enormously by a more-than decent third party pay out as well )

 

[joe-90]

Any speed in excess of the legal speed limit is inappropriate. That's what the limit is for. Why don't you be a real man and take up bike racing on a track. That's the only place where speed is appropriate. As for making a noise, tell you what, you put a muffler on your bike and we'll all take off our cars exhausts - then you'll hear where we are so you can avoid us.. Is that OK with you?

BTW you never replied to my points on kinetic energy, reaction times, stopping distances. Guess you've no argument there then?

You are an uncaring minority that thinks they can do what they please for no other reason than they couldn't give a toss about anyone else. Sad really.

 

[Shytalkz]

Sooner or later you'll end in a box.

Well ain't that a given: just like you and everyone else on the planet .

Your only argument seems to be that if a loony minority want to do something stupid it's 'alright'. Thankfully we have people making laws to prevent such goons killing themselves and other people.

You go live your prescriptive little life, banning everything and everyone that does not and who do not conform to your scarey vision of Utopia, wrapped in cotton wool, scared of your own shadow - and everyone else's it would seem.

Me? I'll get on with pushing the envelope, ****ing the odd person off with pipes on my bike that don't conform to Euro-norms and going just that bit too much over the speed limit (outside built up areas, naturally ). May be one one day I'll push it too far and end up in that little old box; who knows, who cares, we will all be dust in 100 years, whatever path we choose to take.

There's little point arguing with those that have no intention of seeing the truth.

The truth being loud pipes on bikes kill??

Oh, back on topic, petrol 105.9ppl at the local Sainsburys today...took the bike for a ten mile trip, just to fill it up and be ready for the next day of glorious British sunshine. Ahhh, life can be sooo good sometimes .

 

[joe-90]

What a sad man. Don't terrorise the streets. Go to the race track and be a real man. Go push the envelope against real men on a race track.

Don't mean to be rude, but you come across as selfish and pathetic.

 

[Shytalkz]

Any speed in excess of the legal speed limit is inappropriate.

Inappropriate because...? Just because it's the law?

That's what the limit is for.

No it's not, it's so little people like you have some entirely abitrary boundaries, within which you feel safe.

Why don't you be a real man and take up bike racing on a track.

I do.

That's the only place where speed is appropriate.

What, any speed? We have to walk everywhere in Utopia now, do we?

As for making a noise, tell you what, you put a muffler on your bike and we'll all take off our cars exhausts - then you'll hear where we are so you can avoid us.. Is that OK with you?

Bikers generally aren't the ones taking out car drivers. We do know where you are, all the time: we have to know to stand some chance of not ending up across your bonnet. Take your exhausts off and you'll only turn the stereo up even more, just so you can hear the full majesty of Fingle's Cave on Classic FM.

BTW you never replied to my points on kinetic energy, reaction times, stopping distances. Guess you've no argument there then?

I didn't see them, but since you ask, yes, plenty of arguments. As long as you ride/drive ensuring that you can always stop safely within the distance you can see, then that's a pretty defensive and pragmatic way of travelling. I think you'll find the same theory espoused in Roadcraft as well. Or are plod uncaring, chav maniacs as well?

You are an uncaring minority that thinks they can do what they please for no other reason than they couldn't give a toss about anyone else. Sad really.

Not at all: I don't speed where it, in my view, is inappropriate, both for my own safety and for that of others and I certainly don't do it in built up areas. I don't even do anywhere near the speed limit, if conditions are such that I don't think it's appropriate. Hardly uncaring - just pragmatic. Don't be sad, I couldn't give a flying f**k about it

No doubt you think that I've been banned on numerous occasions (or should be ), but the sad fact, from your pov is, nope. Only three points in 31 years of driving and that was 8mph over a recently reduced limit that caught me out. In a car as well. That's because, other than that one occasion, my mind is totally on what I am doing, whether it be under or over the prescribed limit. I'm sure ROSPA and IAM would throw up their hands in horror, if they knew who I am (or even cared) the more so as I used to be an observer for the latter as well and therefore should toe the party line without question. I even think the push and pull steering method and 10 to 2 hands position are crocks of sh*t too, how about that?

 

[megawatt]

Shytalkz: You need to realise that Joe is one of those drivers who casually sit in the fast lane at 70mph causing road chaos in the misguided belief that he is right to do so and nobody should need (or wish) to pass him ... You've seen people like him I'm sure.

With this understanding and a picture of him in your mind his posts make more sense

 

[Shytalkz]

What a sad man. Don't terrorise the streets. Go to the race track and be a real man. Go push the envelope against real men on a race track.

Don't mean to be rude, but you come across as selfish and pathetic.

Hahah, that's like prefacing a sentence "With all due respect..." when you mean anything but! I don't "terrorise the streets" ffs. Temper the extreme hyperbole just because I am diametrically opposed to your lily-livered, sanctimonious pov. I just don't - always/often (you decide!) - adhere to speed limits and have race cans on my bike. Hardly the stuff of an anarchist, responsible for all the ills of this septic isle now, is it?!

 

[joe-90]

So if it suited my lifestyle to spit on the pavements, drop litter, spray graffiti and have gay sex in public that would be ok? They are all illegal as is speeding - but what the heck - let's push the envelope. What kind of argument do you think you have? I'll tell you - you don't have one. Just a selfish, boorish personality. Nothing anyone says will change that - so for this thread - I'm out.

 

[Shytalkz]

Shytalkz: You need to realise that Joe is one of those drivers who casually sit in the fast lane at 70mph causing road chaos in the misguided belief that he is right to do so and nobody should need (or wish) to pass him ... You've seen people like him I'm sure.

With this understanding and a picture of him in your mind his posts make more sense

Yep, he's one of those who's never been in an accident throughout 60 years of points and fine-free perambulation. But he has seen thousands happen just behind him... .

 

[megawatt]

I didn't realise it was illegal to have gay sex in public ... Did you find this out by experience Joe

 

[Shytalkz]

So if it suited my lifestyle...to have gay sex in public that would be ok? They are all illegal as is speeding - but what the heck - let's push the envelope.

Are you saying that gay sex in the street is "pushing the envelope", but hetero coupling isn't? Where do you live that such pastimes pass un-noticed and un-commented upon? Does your version of Valhalla really have some plus points??!

Will you be wearing purple and spitting in the streets upon retirement? Or are you actually 35 going on 85? That's years, not mph obviously, as the latter would be far in excess of what "those who know best" would allow us mere morons to get away with .

What kind of argument do you think you have? I'll tell you - you don't have one.

Ah, ok, sorry for thinking that I did. I'm wrong, I apologise. Henceforth, I will go and put the OE cans back on my bike, fit a speed limiter and even buy one of those new-fangled sets airbag things just for bikers, so that I can feel all safe and cossetted. And never ever ever ever upset any one, any time, absolutely ever.

Just a selfish, boorish personality. Nothing anyone says will change that - so for this thread - I'm out.

Roflol my little Dragon. Perhaps you should change your moniker to Mr Pike, as you sure do bite...

 

[noseall]

there are few motorists who constantly maintain the speed limit 100%

but, there are a some motorists who do understand speeding and its consequences.

victims of motoring accidents, who have been traveling at speeds in excess of the speed limit, may bemoan their injuries or blame the conditions.
but ultimately, they were the ones operating that vehicle so have paid the price for their stupidity.

what makes my blood boil, is when innocent children are hurt as a result of speeding.