Add an extra socket in stud wall?

[John D v2.0]

I've had to put a lot of pipes through a stud wall and I found the best technique is drill a small hole through both leaves and then use a Stanley knife to take the rest out.
It's all been hidden by cupboards now but it seemed to work well. That wall is full of insulation hanging down too.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

did you use a padsaw, i find that happens, i think the teeth are to course, maybe they make a finer one

You can score round the edges with a Stanley knife to reduce the damage a little.

Another tip is to use an old hacksaw blade instead of an actual padsaw blade.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I always isolate my washing machine when not in use, because I choose to.

there is no need to isolate when not in use.

He didn't say that there was a need - he said he chooses to.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It can follow the existing cable to washing machine socket.

What if there's a noggin in the way?

 

[winston1]

He didn't say that there was a need - he said he chooses to.

I realise that. I said there was no need hoping he may decide to in future to choose not to.

 

[scousespark]

I realise that. I said there was no need hoping he may decide to in future to choose not to.

That approach has not exactly worked very well with you.

 

[333rocky333]

Another tip is to use an old hacksaw blade instead of an actual padsaw blade.

Thats how i used to do it, you could even get a handle that the blade fitted into, proberly still can.

 

[333rocky333]

I realise that. I said there was no need hoping he may decide to in future to choose not to.

Try googling how many children and babies have been killed or injured by getting in washing machines, course its a good idea to have an Accessible means of isolation.
Isolation is not just for servicing. If the appliance is going wrong or someones being electrocuted or something, the last thing you want to do is pull the thing out to unplug it

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Thats how i used to do it, you could even get a handle that the blade fitted into, proberly still can.

My padsaw handle has replaceable blades. It screws onto the side of the blade

, not the edge, which (IIRC) ones for using a hacksaw blade did.

Not a problem with proper padsaw blades as they are thick, but it's easy to overtighten the screws and snap a hacksaw blade.

And, of course, if you need to cut on the push stroke that's another good way to snap a hacksaw blade. It's why I recommend old ones

 

[winston1]

Isolation is not just for servicing. If the appliance is going wrong or someones being electrocuted or something, the last thing you want to do is pull the thing out to unplug it

That is why they

Try googling how many children and babies have been killed or injured by getting in washing machines, course its a good idea to have an Accessible means of isolation.
Isolation is not just for servicing. If the appliance is going wrong or someones being electrocuted or something, the last thing you want to do is pull the thing out to unplug it

You'd turn it off on the front panel.

 

[JohnW2]

Isolation is not just for servicing.

I think it probably is, at least primarily. However, as you go on to imply, Emergency Switching (often/usually achieved with the same device) is a very different matter.

I have a feeling that things have changed now, but I think it used to be the case that isolators did not necessarily have to be 'rated' to break a circuit on "full load" (or when carrying overload current), so were not necessarily satisfactory for Emergency Switching.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

You'd turn it off on the front panel.

... which might, of course, be "live".

Kind Regards, John

 

[333rocky333]

I think it probably is, at least primarily. However, as you go on to imply, Emergency Switching (often/usually achieved with the same device) is a very different matter.

I have a feeling that things have changed now, but I think it used to be the case that isolators did not necessarily have to be 'rated' to break a circuit on "full load" (or when carrying overload current), so were not necessarily satisfactory for Emergency Switching.

Kind Regards, John

Your correct john, isolators were designed to be operated after the loads was switched off, Isolation is just one thing in the regs that an FCU can be used for, maybe I used the wrong words, by Isolate i was more referring to having the thing off so pressing the front panel buttons would not start something that may have disastrous results, though use for Emergency switching is also a bonus.
I do not recall shower or cooker isolators being in the Regs, are they, so i wonder whether Winston feels they too are pointless.

 

[333rocky333]

You'd turn it off on the front panel.

Basic rules when training to be an electrician, you do NOT touch someone being electrocuted or the thing there touching.
Er, did you say you was an Electrician, maybe your safer fiddling with your easy peasy safe Arial wires or whatever you call them

 

[EFLImpudence]

As neither a shower switch nor cooker switch, nor any other switch is required (by the regulations) for local isolation, they may be deemed useful and/or advisable for emergency switching.

As such, it would seem logical to fit such switches for every appliance - or none - or are some appliances considered more dangerous than others?

It's strange how some things become standard or traditional for no actual reason.