Another EICR

[SUNRAY]

EICR just 2 faults:
'Lighting circuit incorrect RCBO rating, incorrectly labelled - C1'
'Cooker circuit incorrect RCBO rating, incorrectly labelled - C3'

Being the pratt I am I didn't take my phone so no pictures but only went see what make was required.

CU: 6 way all RCBO, beautifully labelled with Dymo.
Tenant demonstrated that 3 rings on the hob trips the 6A RCBO labelled 'Lights', he says it's only been happening since the inspection on 5th Nov.
I flicked the 32A RCBO labelled 'Oven' off and the lights above went off.

Inside it was beautifully wired except the 2 circuits in question look to be crossed over (the shower RCBO is in between them and the brown/blues have obviousely been disturbed and crossover the shower cable), as soon as I restored them to the correct RCBOs and redressed they looked just like the rest, all neat and regimented. I did IR. Loop and RCD tests which were close enough to the EICR.

The estimate attatched to the EICR is for £182 plus VAT to replace the wrong RCBOs...

 

[ebee]

Hmm a bit of an innocent careless mix up or a devious money making scam ???

 

[Murdochcat]

Love to see the EIC for the CU change

 

[plugwash]

'Lighting circuit incorrect RCBO rating, incorrectly labelled - C1'

Would "only" be a C2 at-least according to the "electricial safety first" guidance.

 

[SUNRAY]

Would "only" be a C2 at-least according to the "electricial safety first" guidance.

Well that was my first thought but then I wondered about 32A OCPD on 1mm²? IIRC 1mm² fuse wire is ~40A.

 

[SUNRAY]

Hmm a bit of an innocent careless mix up or a devious money making scam ???

I forgot to mention the tenant tried to give me a bluey tip for sorting it quickly as he knew I was attending to survey, not repair and he'd been chasing it for 2 weeks.
Im sure it was innocent as it looked OK - a bit like this :

EDIT: I make no apologies for my poor cad work

 

[flameport]

innocent careless mix up

If people are that careless they should not be anywhere near electrical work or EICRs.

devious money making scam

When other possibilities are eliminated, all that remains is the truth.

 

[pete01]

Nobody's perfect, I've got home before and thought errr did I put those blanks in or cover back on, drove all the way back and I always have done.

I take a picture now before I leave...

Mental I know

Better safe than sorry.

 

[Murdochcat]

I used to always take a photo with the cu cover off and then cover on for my records

Handy if a customer moans and I go back to investigate and discover changes have been made

 

[pete01]

I used to always take a photo with the cu cover off and then cover on for my records

Handy if a customer moans and I go back to investigate and discover changes have been made

Yep thats what I do.

 

[SUNRAY]

The digital camera became my best tool many years ago. Much of my work has been modifications so I used to take silly numbers of pics before I started in the hope I could return it to original if I had to, then as has been said pics after too. Many times accusations have been made against me and the pictures have revealed the truth.
One was: we were the last contractors out before a false/suspended ceiling fell down. My pics from several weeks before clearly showed a duct worker cutting the suspension wires (which he did the full length of the large office space (~50m?)).
Another was damaged suspended plaster ceiling tiles and dirty marks on the silk wall covering, which my pics from several months earlier at the time of survey clearly showed.
A major use has been to produce schematics, frequently on the train while commuting.

But certainly useful when my finished work suddenly stops working further down the line and I find changes have been made, suddenly my day rate goes up.

 

[JohnW2]

Love to see the EIC for the CU change

On the basis of what we've been told, one imagines that the EIC will indicate (as best it can) that everything was correct (with all circuits connected to the correct RCBO) at that time ...

.... Tenant demonstrated that 3 rings on the hob trips the 6A RCBO labelled 'Lights', he says it's only been happening since the inspection on 5th Nov.
I flicked the 32A RCBO labelled 'Oven' off and the lights above went off.

 

[SUNRAY]

On the basis of what we've been told, one imagines that the EIC will indicate (as best it can) that everything was correct (with all circuits connected to the correct RCBO) at that time ...

I don't know this but the stickers by the CU, all the accessories, wiring in the cooker switch and ceiling roses look like it may possibly have been a rewire rather than a CU change, and it looks like a lovely job.
This was on behalf of the rental agent I've mentioned several times before.

 

[ericmark]

I have seen that many PIR and EICR which we have clearly been written to drum up work, rather than there be any real fault, I started to take no notice of the report.

The problem is the English landlord law requires one to show faults have been corrected, how can one do that if there is no fault?

At some point, it is likely I will get dementia, but I have no requirement to re-take exams, so even when I don't really have the ability any more, I can attempt tasks beyond my ability. It would seem people move to doing EICR inspections when they have lost some of their ability?

 

[JohnW2]

I have seen that many PIR and EICR which we have clearly been written to drum up work, rather than there be any real fault, I started to take no notice of the report.

In the case Sunray reported, it would seem that there was nothing wrong with the EICR (even the C1 for a lighting circuit protected by a 32A RCBO is arguably reasonable), since it correctly reflected the current (post-EICR inspection) situation.

On the basis of what we've been told, if anything naughty was deliberately done 'to drum up work' it would have been very naughty - namely swapping the lighting and cooker circuits onto each other's RCBOs - and it would be extremely daft for even the most criminal of EICR inspectors to commit such an easily-detected crime!

I would therefore presume that 'the swap' was accidental but, as flameport has said, I think it questionable whether a person capable of such errors should be anywhere near an electrical installation, let alone undertaking EICR inspections !