Anti-immigrant voters clarify what they mean

[Bodd]

Racist

I meant the darker shade of pale market.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

That's interesting. How did you gather the evidence that convinced you?

He didn't.

His opinions are formed in an evidence-free zone.

 

[Notch7]

We are constantly being told that we need immigration to fulfill a labour shortage, and yet there are millions of native British unemployed; including not just those known as "Jobseekers", but those on the various sickness benefits, most of whom are on the fiddle. These people are being paid generously not to work. This costs the country an absolute fortune and is totally immoral. It has gone on for years under several governments, and when any politician so much as mentions the total cost of welfare payments there is outrage. Our native unemployed should be fulfilling any labour shortage.

Also, we are constantly being told about the "benefits" that immigration brings. Any benefits have been by far outweighed by the damage it has caused: the overcrowding, the pressure on infra-structure, the terrorism and the crimewaves that we have had to suffer.

The BBC especially tell us about the good things that immigration brings. You will not see any anti-immigration content on the BBC; same as you will not see any anti-EU content on the BBC. There are plenty of rational and articulate people they could call on to show the anti- side, but as we see in the clip above they choose to show people who are not too articulate when put on the spot. Whereas on the pro- side they have countless talking heads on the payroll pontificating day and night.(The payroll coming from our licence fees).

What the government dont like to tell you is that they want immigration. High levels of young people coming here from Europe improve the ratio of working to retired citizens. Mind you, long term its a bit of a ponzi scheme.

Of course there are some people on benefits on the fiddle, there always has been and always will be. The reality though is, it doesnt add up to a vast amount of cost in the scheme of things. It used to bug me that there are young women with babies that have a council house and benefits -but what can you do? I wouldnt want to see them begging on the pavement like in Bangkok.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

We are constantly being told that we need immigration to fulfill a labour shortage, and yet there are millions of native British unemployed; including not just those known as "Jobseekers", but those on the various sickness benefits, most of whom are on the fiddle. These people are being paid generously not to work. This costs the country an absolute fortune and is totally immoral. It has gone on for years under several governments, and when any politician so much as mentions the total cost of welfare payments there is outrage. Our native unemployed should be fulfilling any labour shortage.

Labour camps?

Chain gangs?

How would you force people into working?

Also, we are constantly being told about the "benefits" that immigration brings. Any benefits have been by far outweighed by the damage it has caused: the overcrowding, the pressure on infra-structure, the terrorism and the crimewaves that we have had to suffer.

Nope.

You have no evidence to support that assertion. You may believe it to be true, but it is not, and were you to be pressed to provide proof you would either refuse or you'd have a go to see if some more evidence-free bluster would work

you will not see any anti-EU content on the BBC.

I want a refund of my licence fee!

I could have sworn I'd seen many anti-EU people on Question Time, including Nigel Farage multiple times. He also has a show on what I thought was LBC. I saw that dodgy clergywoman on Newsnight too.

That it turns out that all these broadcasts have been pirate ones, made by people who have hijacked the airwaves is an outrage. Despite the fact that they were very good, and managed to pull off a totally convincing imitation of David Dimbleby and Emily Maitless etc, it's not on.


Seriously andy, do you not know, or not care, how laughable your assertions are?

There are plenty of rational and articulate people they could call on to show the anti- side,

Not on the evidence of this forum.

but as we see in the clip above they choose to show people who are not too articulate when put on the spot.

Maybe they simply cannot find any articulate and rational members of the public who support leaving the EU?

 

[JohnD]

What the government dont like to tell you is that they want immigration.

Or, to be accurate, they want youngish, active, healthy, hardworking people from other countries to come here to compensate for the shortfall. EU citizens under the "Freedom of Movement" arrangement are not immigrants.

So too do the large and growing numbers of retired and elderly citizens, who have increasing health, medical and personal care needs.

It's a real conundrum that the people willing to do the jobs they will depend on, are the ones that the hard-brexiters (who are predominantly of retirement age) are so anxious to keep out of the country.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Did anyone actually read all that...

I doubt it

People with a desire to be bored fartless

Dropped off again

I am genuinely curious - this is a genuine question:

Why do you two feel that you should boast about being, or identify with people who are, unable or unwilling to read a post of just over 660 words?

Without the quoted text it was 572 words. If you have children doing GCSE English that's about the length of the essay they have to write in the exam.

Would you be happy to tell them that you would never be willing or able to read anything that long?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

EU citizens under the "Freedom of Movement" arrangement are not immigrants.

And as unpalatable as it may be to some, they are more of a net contributor to UK finances than people born here.

I expect that many, if not all, of those who find it unpalatable will pretend that it isn't true, but sooner or later reality will, as it always does, behave in it's unpleasant way of demonstrating its superiority over fantasy.

 

[Bodd]

I am genuinely curious - this is a genuine question:

Why do you two feel that you should boast about being, or identify with people who are, unable or unwilling to read a post of just over 660 words?

Without the quoted text it was 572 words. If you have children doing GCSE English that's about the length of the essay they have to write in the exam.

Would you be happy to tell them that you would never be willing or able to read anything that long?

Your right I'm a lazy reader

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Fair enough.

I'm a lazy exerciser, but I'm not sure I'd think it a good idea to go onto an exercise forum and make critical posts asking who actually bothers to do exercise. I'd probably take it as read that if I wasn't interested in doing something I'd stay out of it rather than make posts implying that those who were interested were somehow at fault.

 

[vinty]

We are constantly being told that we need immigration to fulfill a labour shortage, and yet there are millions of native British unemployed; including not just those known as "Jobseekers", but those on the various sickness benefits, most of whom are on the fiddle. These people are being paid generously not to work. This costs the country an absolute fortune and is totally immoral. It has gone on for years under several governments, and when any politician so much as mentions the total cost of welfare payments there is outrage. Our native unemployed should be fulfilling any labour shortage.

Also, we are constantly being told about the "benefits" that immigration brings. Any benefits have been by far outweighed by the damage it has caused: the overcrowding, the pressure on infra-structure, the terrorism and the crimewaves that we have had to suffer.

The BBC especially tell us about the good things that immigration brings. You will not see any anti-immigration content on the BBC; same as you will not see any anti-EU content on the BBC. There are plenty of rational and articulate people they could call on to show the anti- side, but as we see in the clip above they choose to show people who are not too articulate when put on the spot. Whereas on the pro- side they have countless talking heads on the payroll pontificating day and night.(The payroll coming from our licence fees).

According to the government we have full employment, so were are the millions of unemployed, I also think immigration should be controlled rather than uncontrolled as it is at present.

 

[JohnD]

According to the government we have full employment

Who told you that?

It's wrong.

 

[Bodd]

Fair enough.

I'm a lazy exerciser, but I'm not sure I'd think it a good idea to go onto an exercise forum and make critical posts asking who actually bothers to do exercise. I'd probably take it as read that if I wasn't interested in doing something I'd stay out of it rather than make posts implying that those who were interested were somehow at fault.

You can make your point with far fewer words. Just as you have just done...

It's a bit like 20 20 cricket. Faster and far more exciting

 

[durhamplumber]

I'm sorry to hear you have a faulty TV. Here are a few of the things you have never seen because of your problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45717823
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46498827/brexit-i-feel-deep-sense-of-responsibility-says-boris-Johnson
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-po...ees-mogg-suggests-potential-successors-for-pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-po...mogg-negotiations-give-away-on-all-key-points
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-po...ees-mogg-suggests-potential-successors-for-pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45229426
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45614468
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46230281

I do hope you soon get your TV repaired, and then you'll be able to reduce the number of false claims you make.

I hope you can get yours repaired soon,so you can watch more than 1 channel and be less biased.

 

[durhamplumber]

Labour camps?

Chain gangs?

How would you force people into working?
Work house...no benefits unless you work.


Nope.

You have no evidence to support that assertion. You may believe it to be true, but it is not, and were you to be pressed to provide proof you would either refuse or you'd have a go to see if some more evidence-free bluster would work


I want a refund of my licence fee!

I could have sworn I'd seen many anti-EU people on Question Time, including Nigel Farage multiple times. He also has a show on what I thought was LBC. I saw that dodgy clergywoman on Newsnight too.

That it turns out that all these broadcasts have been pirate ones, made by people who have hijacked the airwaves is an outrage. Despite the fact that they were very good, and managed to pull off a totally convincing imitation of David Dimbleby and Emily Maitless etc, it's not on.


Seriously andy, do you not know, or not care, how laughable your assertions are?



Not on the evidence of this forum.



Maybe they simply cannot find any articulate and rational members of the public who support leaving the EU?

No benefits unless you work...simples

 

[durhamplumber]

You can make your point with far fewer words. Just as you have just done...

It's a bit like 20 20 cricket. Faster and far more exciting

Still boring.