are BG engineers actually qualified engineers.

[sunnie]

still no definitive replies from gas engineers,not backed up with evidence of being on a registered engineers list.

maybe the gas service engineer role has been detuned into a lessor role to enable other european fiddlers to work in the uk.

so who holds a gas service engineer certificate issued in the last 6 years.

 

[LargeWrench]

Define engineer??

My city an guilds say i am a gas service engineer.
As part of my apprenticeship it covered all aspects of the gas industry as well as all aspects of building construction and house electrics from incoming mains.involving chemistry and physics at A level standard and to HNC afterwards
D.

Really? I studied Chemistry & Biology at A level and an apprenticeship is a piece of **** in comparison! I really struggled at Chemistry and just scraped a B, whereas in my apprenticeship i completed it with relative ease. I don't recall anything in my apprenticeship being anywhere near A level standard.

Even though i'm classed as a 'gas engineer' it does make me laugh how nowadays almost everyone is an 'engineer.' How has it got to the stage where a guy that repairs washing machines is now an engineer?

 

[Phill Peck]

You cannot take gas qualifications unless you have either city and guilds or nvq in plumbing or HVAC both are engineering qualifications.

Bg do all there training in house but equates to the same thing

Is this new?

I have my ccn1 and appliances until the 7th of march, and ive never had c&g or NVQs in plumbing or HVAC.

Did you do you training with bg?
As said they do it different but equates to the same unless your a meter guy in which case you are not an engineer

Nah i didnt do the training with BG, im a 12 week wonder. And i agree that im not an engineer, Meter monkey is more fitting.

Did you not need a portfolio to get on the course

 

[Phill Peck]

Define engineer??

My city an guilds say i am a gas service engineer.H
As part of my apprenticeship it covered all aspects of the gas industry as well as all aspects of building construction and house electrics from incoming mains.involving chemistry and physics at A level standard and to HNC afterwards
D.

Really? I studied Chemistry & Biology at A level and an apprenticeship is a piece of p**s in comparison! I really struggled at Chemistry and just scraped a B, whereas in my apprenticeship i completed it with relative ease. I don't recall anything in my apprenticeship being anywhere near A level standard.

Even though i'm classed as a 'gas engineer' it does make me laugh how nowadays almost everyone is an 'engineer.' How has it got to the stage where a guy that repairs washing machines is now an engineer?

Are you saying that u think the gas exams are not to a level standard?

 

[MeterMonkey]

I needed a portfolio of jobs done to be signed off. It was so long ago, ive got no idea what was in mine. But ive never done wetwork.

Apart from the soldering lessons.

My training centre was getting moved, so i asked if a pipe was empty/dead so that i could cut it down and use the pipe. The instructor told me it was and about 20 seconds later i was soaked.

 

[Agile]

My training centre was getting moved, so i asked if a pipe was empty/dead so that i could cut it down and use the pipe. The instructor told me it was and about 20 seconds later i was soaked.

I think that is called 'taking the p1ss'.

But I suppose it taught you to test a pipe before you cut it.

 

[LargeWrench]

Define engineer??

My city an guilds say i am a gas service engineer.H
As part of my apprenticeship it covered all aspects of the gas industry as well as all aspects of building construction and house electrics from incoming mains.involving chemistry and physics at A level standard and to HNC afterwards
D.

Really? I studied Chemistry & Biology at A level and an apprenticeship is a piece of p**s in comparison! I really struggled at Chemistry and just scraped a B, whereas in my apprenticeship i completed it with relative ease. I don't recall anything in my apprenticeship being anywhere near A level standard.

Even though i'm classed as a 'gas engineer' it does make me laugh how nowadays almost everyone is an 'engineer.' How has it got to the stage where a guy that repairs washing machines is now an engineer?

Are you saying that u think the gas exams are not to a level standard?

Yes. Lets be honest, an exam that is almost completely open book and has very lax time limits isn't going to be anywhere near as difficult as an A level exam. Some of the stuff i learnt doing chemistry is far more complex than gas. I know NVQ3's are suppose to be the equivalent of 2 A levels, but imo that's being very generous! The only difficult aspect of doing gas is fault finding on boilers, which isn't too difficult if you put your mind to it and get the right training.

 

[sunnie]

so are BG engineers classed as mechanical engineers,well thats probably the answer.

 

[patsmotors]

NO,no centrica people on the list.

sunnie they are classed as operatives with varying gas qualifications some know more some considerably less something to do with liability bond.
they cannot be classed as engineers as being an engineer is a professional profession.

bye

 

[Dan Robinson]

A professional profession?

 

[Phill Peck]

Define engineer??

My city an guilds say i am a gas service engineer.H
As part of my apprenticeship it covered all aspects of the gas industry as well as all aspects of building construction and house electrics from incoming mains.involving chemistry and physics at A level standard and to HNC afterwards
D.

Really? I studied Chemistry & Biology at A level and an apprenticeship is a piece of p**s in comparison! I really struggled at Chemistry and just scraped a B, whereas in my apprenticeship i completed it with relative ease. I don't recall anything in my apprenticeship being anywhere near A level standard.

Even though i'm classed as a 'gas engineer' it does make me laugh how nowadays almost everyone is an 'engineer.' How has it got to the stage where a guy that repairs washing machines is now an engineer?

Are you saying that u think the gas exams are not to a level standard?

Yes. Lets be honest, an exam that is almost completely open book and has very lax time limits isn't going to be anywhere near as difficult as an A level exam. Some of the stuff i learnt doing chemistry is far more complex than gas. I know NVQ3's are suppose to be the equivalent of 2 A levels, but imo that's being very generous! The only difficult aspect of doing gas is fault finding on boilers, which isn't too difficult if you put your mind to it and get the right training.

I think you have a very high opinion of yourself. Maybe you should be a rocket scientist

When I was last in alot of the people around me really struggled and couldn't finish in time. I don't think the time given is generous it is worked out on average so you only have enough time to look up 50% of questions


I actually doubt you understand it all as clearly as you are making out and and proberbly like to sound intelligent

Also A levels are for 18 year olds and are not that difficult in themselves

 

[Phill Peck]

Just realised you are the same person that doesn't understand how a powerflush works so at this point I will end my conversation with you grounds that you clearly have no engineering knowledge

 

[ollski]

who gives a monkeys?, does it pay the mortgage?. I prefer the word technician...the word engineer just makes me think of the bullied boys at uni with a chip on their shoulder.

 

[LargeWrench]

Define engineer??

My city an guilds say i am a gas service engineer.H
As part of my apprenticeship it covered all aspects of the gas industry as well as all aspects of building construction and house electrics from incoming mains.involving chemistry and physics at A level standard and to HNC afterwards
D.

Really? I studied Chemistry & Biology at A level and an apprenticeship is a piece of p**s in comparison! I really struggled at Chemistry and just scraped a B, whereas in my apprenticeship i completed it with relative ease. I don't recall anything in my apprenticeship being anywhere near A level standard.

Even though i'm classed as a 'gas engineer' it does make me laugh how nowadays almost everyone is an 'engineer.' How has it got to the stage where a guy that repairs washing machines is now an engineer?

Are you saying that u think the gas exams are not to a level standard?

Yes. Lets be honest, an exam that is almost completely open book and has very lax time limits isn't going to be anywhere near as difficult as an A level exam. Some of the stuff i learnt doing chemistry is far more complex than gas. I know NVQ3's are suppose to be the equivalent of 2 A levels, but imo that's being very generous! The only difficult aspect of doing gas is fault finding on boilers, which isn't too difficult if you put your mind to it and get the right training.

I think you have a very high opinion of yourself. Maybe you should be a rocket scientist

When I was last in alot of the people around me really struggled and couldn't finish in time. I don't think the time given is generous it is worked out on average so you only have enough time to look up 50% of questions


I actually doubt you understand it all as clearly as you are making out and and proberbly like to sound intelligent

Also A levels are for 18 year olds and are not that difficult in themselves

In what way do i have a high opinion of myself?

Somebody said that the gas exams were as hard as A levels. I did my A levels 6 years ago so have a experience of both A levels and gas exams as i've recently done my apprenticeship. I was just pointing out that A levels are far harder than anything i ever did in my apprenticeship. I wasn't trying to big anything up, i was just pointing out a fact from my experiences. I was just correcting somebody who thought that the gas exams were as hard as A level chemistry.

C'mon, we all know what goes on with the ACS exams! It's virtually impossible to fail them. If your struggling you get a few 'nudges' from the examiner until you get the right answer. I'm not trying to put anybody down, don't mean to come across like that, but to say the ACS gas exams are as hard as A level chemistry is just incorrect.

 

[LargeWrench]

Just realised you are the same person that doesn't understand how a powerflush works so at this point I will end my conversation with you grounds that you clearly have no engineering knowledge

Jeez, your like a broken record. All you ever go on about is bloomin' power flushing! Then again though, not surprising with the money your charge for doing it.

A power flushing machine just pumps water round a central heating system, and let's you switch the direction of flow. It's hardly at the forefront of engineering.

Since you brought it up though, i use them regularly so i don't quite get your point? All i said was that cleaning a radiator seperatly with a hose pipe at mains pressure, after previously being chemically treated, will work just as well as a power flush would. You sure you don't work for kamco?