Ched Evans

[JBR]

The point is this bloke refuses to acknowledge that any crime took place. He admits what happened but apparently thinks what he did was ok. He acts like he can't understand what all the fuss is about. The logical conclusion of that is he would happily go and do the same thing again. Why not, he's done nothing wrong! And then he wants to be allowed to play professional football in front of thousands (hundreds - I don't know?) of screaming, admiring girls. It just sounds wrong to me.

Well said. A typical big-headed football yob.

I blame the naive supporters who pay through the nose to watch these prima donnas skip about.

 

[Brigadier]

As I said earlier, if he thinks he did nothing wrong (bar cheating on his wife), logically why wouldn't he stop, if in the same situation again?

I think that sponsors and "names" are voting with their feet, so in the end, money will talk. It might be the "right" result, but not achieved through morals.

 

[cajar]

something I don't understand is that both men admitted having sex with her, yet only one is convicted of rape. surely if the grounds were that she was too drunk to consent then neither of them would have been able to obtain consent.

 

[terrypin]

I expect most know the story. My question is; I was always under the impression that you had to acknowledge the crime in order to qualify for parole. Was I wrong or have things changed?

He didn't get parole, he was released on licence at the half sentence point just like every prisoner who receives a 'determinate' prison sentence.

Only those who receive an 'indeterminate' sentence apply for parole.

That's not what the gov.uk website says. It says you can apply for parole for 'determinate' sentences of 4 years or longer. In other documents (from different sites) it says those who deny their crimes will only be eligible for parole at 2/3 of the sentence and gives clear recent examples of people who serve longer because they will not admit their crimes. Others who acknowledge their crimes are allowed parole at 1/2 sentence. So there is some truth in it but I can't find anything definitive.

The point is this bloke refuses to acknowledge that any crime took place. He admits what happened but apparently thinks what he did was ok. He acts like he can't understand what all the fuss is about. The logical conclusion of that is he would happily go and do the same thing again. Why not, he's done nothing wrong! And then he wants to be allowed to play professional football in front of thousands (hundreds - I don't know?) of screaming, admiring girls. It just sounds wrong to me.

I think that is for offences committed before 2005 and therefore comes under old legislation.
Nowadays a prisoner serves half his sentence in prison and the other half on licence, whether they admit guilt or not.

Where a sentence has no release date, eg. Life with a minimum of 18 years or an IPP the prisoner can apply for parole at the 18th year(or the minimum term imposed) and keep applying until he is successful.

 

[Brigadier]

something I don't understand is that both men admitted having sex with her, yet only one is convicted of rape. surely if the grounds were that she was too drunk to consent then neither of them would have been able to obtain consent.

I think that she went willingly with the other bloke, who then invited his mate over (CE). Which seems to imply that she "chose" bloke A, but bloke B was someone else's decision. Perhaps?

 

[cajar]

that would make sense. I don't think there would be as much controversy if they had just said she chose bloke A but bloke B pressured / pushed himself into the situation and she felt she couldn't object. think with them claiming she was too drunk to consent as the reason it was rape, it has muddied the waters a bit as there has been CCTV footage of her walking in unaided, and the claim she thought her drinks were spiked, which seems to be the default excuse for bad decisions if you're a female in the west.

 

[terrypin]

There's also cctv footage of her stumbling and falling over, though CE's site won't show those.