Climate change.

[tony1851]

Well why is the climate changing then?

But is it??
The earth is a huge place - you can't expect everything to stay the same, all the time.
The climate was changing long before man appeared.
We've had 'tipping points' and 'J-curves' and 'carbon footprints' rammed down our throats by everyone from Prince Charles down and it's getting boring.

 

[jockscott]

Joe believes it's the Earth wobbling. He doesn't believe it's caused by mankind (he said so earlier, contradicting his original post ,but is now back pedalling faster than the Iraqi army during the gulf war)

 

[joe-90]

Well why is the climate changing then?

But is it??
The earth is a huge place - you can't expect everything to stay the same, all the time.
The climate was changing long before man appeared.
We've had 'tipping points' and 'J-curves' and 'carbon footprints' rammed down our throats by everyone from Prince Charles down and it's getting boring.

Are the ice caps melting?

 

[Norcon]

Well why is the climate changing then?

But is it??
The earth is a huge place - you can't expect everything to stay the same, all the time.
The climate was changing long before man appeared.
We've had 'tipping points' and 'J-curves' and 'carbon footprints' rammed down our throats by everyone from Prince Charles down and it's getting boring.

So what you're saying is we can burn every last drop of oil, burn every chunk of coal, chop down every last tree and burn all the gas since the dinosaurs and it will have no effect?

On a separate note try being a farmer for a decade or two and you will learn all about climate change and won't be so dismissive.
Especially when the crop you're relying on is laying in the field rotting.

 

[chapeau]

Well obviously none of us on here are experts in the subject so we have to listen to those who are. And they are almost unanimous in saying that man has screwed up the climate by pumping huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere and the screwing up is going to get a lot worse.

Anybody who doesn't agree with this needs to come up with some decent evidence and right now it simply isn't forthcoming.

The science is clear. We are now in the phase where we decide what, if anything, to do about it.

 

[joe-90]

It's already too late, the dominos are falling.

As the ice caps melt less heat/light is reflected back into space and so the atmosphere warms which melts the ice caps ..... and on it goes.

 

[JBR]

It seems that human societies always have to have something to worry about. Think back to the 1960s and we were told of the impending ice age where there will be wars over food shortages.
Since then we've had Legionaire's disease; holes in the ozone (who remembers that now?); AIDS (that was going to wipe out half the world's population); bird 'flu (someone panicked and rang their local council when they found a dead pigeon in their garden); mad cow disease - th elist goes on and on.
Now this nonesense about so-called climate change. Just another scam so that researchers can get grants to do research to prove what the payers of the grants want them to prove.
FFS, WHEN WILL PEOPLE WAKE UP???

Doomed, doomed, we're all DOOMED!

Am I bothered?

 

[jockscott]

Years ago, climate scientists predicted a runaway effect, such that global warming would accelerate uncontrollably until we were all fried. Predictions concluded that by the mid 90's , England would be as warm as the Spanish Costa's and the trend would continue unabated, (unless government heavily taxed the population )
It just hasn't happened. So that's one prediction they got wrong.. Why should we believe the other predictions of doom they churn out daily?

Mind you, according to the weather forecast, it's to be quite warm for the rest of the week, so this must be the absolute proof ehh.

 

[pred]

Joe believes it's the Earth wobbling. He doesn't believe it's caused by mankind (he said so earlier, contradicting his original post ,but is now back pedalling faster than the Iraqi army during the gulf war)

Talking of which, whatever became of that amazing comedian; Bagdad Bob??

 

[tony1851]

Well obviously none of us on here are experts in the subject so we have to listen to those who are. And they are almost unanimous

That's the crux of the problem because more often than not, the 'experts' (in whatever field) get it wrong.

I'm old enough to remember our science and geography teachers warning us of the impending ice age. The research then was done by 'experts' so how do we know the 'experts' have got it right this time? The scientists may be unanimous, but that's because they are all jumping on the research-grants band wagon. No one pays them to prove that there is no climate change, or that the climate is behaving any differently to how it always has.

The problem is that this costing us jobs and money as we all run lemming-like to the situation where we have no industry, power black-outs and fuel rationing.
And for what? 'The Greenest Government Ever?' Ask those workers who have lost their jobs because of high carbon taxes.

 

[AronSearle]

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Is that relevant, you are talking about periods that existed locally, the temp then was not a global change, and scientists have proved this.

It's actually pretty relevant, because the climate has always been different.

The question that really matters is not, does co2 affect temperatures.

But how much by, and what does this mean.

And the answer to that is......

More co2 = more plant growth.

higher temperatures = more arable land / lower risk of an ice age.#

Climate change is only "disastrous" to individual locations, overall it is possible more beneficial.

So I find it funny that people talk about "well these temperatures only existed locally", yet blithely ignore that negative climate change only negatively affects local areas.

 

[tony1851]

negative climate change only negatively affects local areas.

What's 'negative climate change'?

 

[WabbitPoo]

.... so we have to listen to those who are.

Big mistake. BIIIIG mistake. I hate to sound like a CT bore but as they say, follow the money....

Just saying..

 

[jockscott]

One of the problems , is the fact that in many areas the temperature recorders have been placed in the middle of large conurbations (cities/towns to you and I ) Where temperatures are always slightly warmer than the average. For instance, if we had 100 places in the UK where temperatures were measured and 70 of these just happened to be in the middle of the largest cities in the UK, then the mean recorded temperature of the UK would be slightly higher than if these 70 temperature recorders were placed away from cities and large towns.

 

[joe-90]

But is the ice cap melting?

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