DIY Gas Work IS NOT Illegal

[Bamber gaspipe]

Listen you Whelk! ARE YOU TELLING EVERY ENGINEER ON THIS SITE THAT YOU ARE HAPPY TO LET THE WINDOW CLEANER, COME IN & FIT ALL YOUR GAS APPLIANCES ..LISTEN TO YOURSELF YOU FEKKING MORON..

 

[Water Systems]

What hasn't been ruled upon, in circumstances where it's not already obvious (i.e. death or destruction), is the meaning of competence in the context of the GSIUR.

Yep. The law says competent with no definition what it is relating to DIY gas work. So only a court can define what competence is, and so far not one has.

No copurt has rukles what competence is
For example, a DIYer has done some work that is technical perfect, but then, through ignorance, failed to perform a soundness test. It would be easy to argue that this is incompetence [although I now expect that someone here will argue that it isn't, but that's not my point], because the risk that the DIYer has failed to mitigate is significant and the information needed to do the test is in the public domain.

You are going around in circles. Your opinion doesn't matter a hoot. What competence is relating to DIY gas has not been defined by the law. Only the law matters.

The fact is that DIY gas work is legal

NO ambiguity about it

 

[Water Systems]

Listen you Whelk! ARE YOU TELLING EVERY ENGINEER ON THIS SITE THAT YOU ARE HAPPY TO LET THE WINDOW CLEANER, COME IN & FIT ALL YOUR GAS APPLIANCES

If the window cleaner doesn't charge and he is competent then he can do it. That is the law.

It is obvious you intelectually challenged. He can't even figure out where caps lock key is.

 

[fitz1]

WS, diy does not mean do it for others. i would determine it means for yourself on your property and possesions.Also i would determine that any court of law would rule that without sufficient training you are incompetant.gas training is a 100% pass examination for a good reason.

 

[Bamber gaspipe]

Listen you Whelk! ARE YOU TELLING EVERY ENGINEER ON THIS SITE THAT YOU ARE HAPPY TO LET THE WINDOW CLEANER, COME IN & FIT ALL YOUR GAS APPLIANCES

If the window cleaner doesn't charge and he is competent then he can do it. That is the law.

It is obvious you intelectually challenged. He can't even figure out where caps lock key is.

Me intellectually challenged. You cannot spell, You siree idiot! (Benny Hill )

 

[Water Systems]

WS, diy does not mean do it for others. i would determine it means for yourself on your property and possesions.

It is split into two. basically for you to understsnd:

1. Those who do gas work for money (they need a Corgi badge).

2. Those who do gas work not for money. (this is loosley termed as DIY)

Also i would determine that any court of law would rule that without sufficient training you are incompetant.gas training is a 100% pass examination for a good reason.

Your opinion doesn't matter a hoot. The law is the law.

The Corgis know all the answers don't they. They can't even comprehend the written word properly. If they could this thread would have only been one page.

 

[fitz1]

WS, you are a very dangerous person.just to prove a point you are activly encouraging people who havnt got a clue to work on potentialy life threatening installs and repairs.Every diyer probably thinks they are competant including yourself, when actually they and you are far from it.

 

[Bamber gaspipe]

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It is split into two. basically for you to understsnd:

2. Those who do gas work not for money. (this is loosley termed as DIY)

If you run a company then I will show my ar*se in Woolworth`s. You Sir, are an illiterate Buffoon.

 

[Gasguru]

Yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn,

Look the law is quite clear there is no problem doing your own gas providing you are competent.

Some diyer's are quite capable of getting to grips with the standards in force and are sufficiently skilled in their work.

Others however are not and never will be (sometimes arrogant and over confident in their abilities), and it is highly irresponsible to encourage them to do their own gas work.

For those of you not gas engineers by trade it is easy to look at this industry and assume its simple and straightforward, read the standards and regulations and perhaps you may decide to re-assess your thoughts.

It is no different to electrical wiring, very easy to wire up a lighting circuit with just the phase and neutral conductors. All appears functional to the user but highly dangerous. Nothing in reserve under fault conditions. Again read the standards - most of which have more to do with redundancy and safety if ever a fault occurs.

So read this lot, get the relevant test gear, and providing the quality of your work is up to scratch you are legally entililed to carry out gas work in your own home.





Building regulations Parts L and J
Manufactures Instructions
ODPM Guide to the Condensing Boiler Installation Assessment Procedure
Gas safety (Installation and use) regulations
IGE/SR/20 Ed2 Dealing with reported gas escapes
IGE/GL/8 Reporting and investigating of gas related incidents
IGE/UP/1B Tightness testing and purging of domestic sized Natural Gas installations
IGE/UP/7 Gas installations in timber frame buildings
IGE/UP/15 Gas installations in flats

BS 21:1985 Specification for pipe threads for tubes and fittings where pressure-tight joints are made on the threads (metric dimensions)
BS 567:1973 Specification for asbestos-cement flue pipes and fittings, light quality
BS 669-1:1989 Flexible hoses, end fittings and sockets for gas burning appliances. Specification for strip-wound metallic flexible hoses, covers, end fittings and sockets for domestic appliances burning 1st and 2nd family gases
BS 669-2:1997 Flexible hoses, end fittings and sockets for gas burning appliances. Specification for corrugated metallic flexible hoses, covers, end fittings and sockets for catering appliances burning 1st, 2nd and 3rd family gases
BS 715:1993 Specification for metal flue pipes, fittings, terminals and accessories for gas-fired appliances with a rated input not exceeding 60 kW
BS 746:1987 Specification for gas meter unions and adaptors
BS 835:1973 Specification for asbestos-cement flue pipes and fittings, heavy quality
BS 845-1:1987 Methods for assessing thermal performance of boilers for steam, hot water and high temperature thermal fluids
BS 1179-6:1980 Glossary of terms used in the gas industry. Combustion and utilization including installation at consumers' premises
BS 1289-1:1986 Flue blocks and masonry terminals for gas appliances. Specification for precast concrete flue blocks and terminals
BS 1306:1975 Specification for copper and copper alloy pressure piping systems
BS 1552:1995 Specification for open bottomed taper plug valves for 1st, 2nd and 3rd family gases up to 200 mbar
BS 1756-1:1971 Methods for the sampling and analysis of flue gases. Methods of sampling
BS 1945:1971 Specification for fireguards for heating appliances (gas, electric and oil-burning)
BS 5292:1980 Specification for jointing materials and compounds for installations using water, low-pressure steam or 1st, 2nd and 3rd family gases
BS 5343-2:1991 Gas detector tubes. Specification for long term gas detector tubes
BS 5386-3:1980 Specification for gas burning appliances. Domestic cooking appliances burning gas
BS 5386-4:1991 Specification for gas burning appliances. Built-in domestic cooking appliances
BS 5386-6:1991 Specification for gas burning appliances. Specification for domestic gas cooking appliances with forced-convection ovens
BS 5431:1976 Specification for bending springs for use with copper tubes for water, gas and sanitation
BS 5440-1:2000 Installation and maintenance of flues and ventilation for gas appliances of rated input not exceeding 70 kW net (1st, 2nd and 3rd family gases). Specification for installation and maintenance of flues
BS 5440-2:2000 Installation and maintenance of flues and ventilation for gas appliances of rated input not exceeding 70 kW net (1st, 2nd and 3rd family gases). Specification for installation and maintenance of ventilation for gas appliances
BS 5546:2000 Specification for installation of hot water supplies for domestic purposes, using gas-fired appliances of rated input not exceeding 70 kW
BS 5864:1989 Specification for installation in domestic premises of gas-fired ducted-air heaters of rated input not exceeding 60 kW
BS 5871-1:2001 Specification for installation of gas fires, convector heaters, fire/back boilers and decorative fuel effect gas appliances. Gas fires, convector heaters, fire/back boilers and heating stoves (1st, 2nd and 3rd family gases)
BS 5871-2:2001 Specification for installation of gas fires, convector heaters, fire/back boilers and decorative fuel effect gas appliances. Inset live fuel effect gas fires of heat input not exceeding 15 kW, and fire/back boilers (2nd and 3rd family gases)
BS 5871-3:2001 Specification for installation of gas fires, convector heaters, fire/back boilers and decorative fuel effect gas appliances. Decorative fuel effect gas appliances of heat input not exceeding 20 kW (2nd and 3rd family gases)
BS 5885-1:1988 Automatic gas burners. Specification for burners with input rating 60 kW and above
BS 5885-2:1987 Automatic gas burners. Specification for packaged burners with input rating 7.5 kW up to but excluding 60 kW
BS 5925:1991 Code of practice for ventilation principles and designing for natural ventilation
BS 6047-1:1981 Flame supervision devices for domestic, commercial and catering gas appliances. Specification for heat sensitive type
BS 6172:1990 Specification for installation of domestic gas cooking appliances (1st, 2nd and 3rd family gases)
BS 6332-1:1988 Thermal performance of domestic gas appliances. Specification for thermal performance of central heating boilers and circulators
BS 6332-4:1983 Thermal performance of domestic gas appliances. Specification for thermal performance of independent convector heaters
BS 6332-6:1990 Thermal performance of domestic gas appliances. Specification for thermal performance of combined appliances: fanned-circulation ducted-air heater/circulator
BS 6400-1:2002 Specification for installation of domestic-sized gas meters maximum rated capacity not exceeding 6 m3/h (2nd and 3rd family gases). Low pressure (2nd family gases)
BS 6798:2000 Specification for installation of gas-fired boilers of rated input not exceeding 70 kW net
BS 6891:1998 Specification for installation of low pressure gas pipework of up to 28 mm (R1) in domestic premises (2nd family gas)
BS 7462:1991 Specification for electrical safety of domestic gas appliances
BS 7624:1993 Specification for installation of domestic direct gas-fired tumble dryers of up to 3kW heat input (2nd and 3rd family gases)
BS 7838:1996 Specification for corrugated stainless steel semi-rigid pipe and associated fittings for low-pressure gas pipework of up to 28 mm
BS 7859:1996, ISO 6976:1995 Natural gas. Calculation of calorific values, density, relative density and Wobbe index from composition
BS 7860:1996 Specification for carbon monoxide detectors (electrical) for domestic use
BS 7880:1997 Code of practice for draught control of existing doors and windows in housing using draughtstrips
BS 7927:1998 Heating appliances for domestic applications. Portable apparatus designed to detect and measure specific combustion flue gas products. Requirements
BS 7977-1:2002 Specification for safety and rational use of energy of domestic gas appliances. Radiant/convectors
BS 7977-2:2003 Specification for safety and rational use of energy of domestic gas appliances. Combined appliances. Gas fire/back boiler

BS EN ISO 4080:1995 Rubber and plastics hoses and hose assemblies. Determination of permeability to gas
BS EN 26:1998 Gas-fired instantaneous water heaters for the production of domestic hot water, fitted with atmospheric burners
BS EN 30-1-1:1998 Domestic cooking appliances burning gas. Safety. General
BS EN 30-1-2:1999 Domestic cooking appliances burning gas. Safety. Appliances having forced-convection ovens and/or grills
BS EN 30-1-4:2002 Domestic cooking appliances burning gas. Safety. Appliances having one or more burners with an automatic burner control system
BS EN 88:1991 Pressure governors for gas appliances for inlet pressures up to 200 mbar
BS EN 89:2000 Gas-fired storage water heaters for the production of domestic hot water
BS EN 125:1991 Specification for flame supervision devices for gas-burning appliances. Thermo-electric types
BS EN 126:1995 Multifunctional controls for gas burning appliances
BS EN 161:2002 Automatic shut-off valves for gas burners and gas appliances
BS EN 257:1992 Mechanical thermostats for gas-burning appliances
BS EN 278:1991 Specification for rubber materials for diaphragms in domestic appliances using combustible gases up to 200 mbar
BS EN 279:1991 Specification for homogenous rubber materials for dynamic seals in domestic appliances using combustible gases up to 200 mbar
BS EN 291:1992 Rubber seals. Static seals in domestic appliances for combustible gas up to 200 mbar. Specification for material
BS EN 297:1994 Gas-fired central heating boilers. Type B11 and B11BS boilers fitted with atmospheric burners of nominal heat input not exceeding 70 kW
BS EN 298:1994 Automatic gas burner control systems for gas burners and gas burning appliances with or without fans
BS EN 298:2003 Automatic gas burner control systems for gas burners and gas burning appliances with or without fans
BS EN 303-3: Heating boilers with forced draught burners. Gas-fired central heating boilers.
BS EN 331:1998 Manually operated ball valves and closed bottom taper plug valves for gas installations in buildings
BS EN 483:2000 Gas-fired central heating boilers. Type C boilers of nominal heat input not exceeding 70 kW
BS EN 509:2000 Decorative fuel-effect gas appliances
BS EN 625:1996 Gas-fired central heating boilers. Specific requirements for the domestic hot water operation of combination boilers of nominal heat input not exceeding 70 kW
BS EN 549:1995 Specification for rubber materials for seals and diaphragms for gas appliances and gas equipment
BS EN 677:1998 Gas-fired central heating boilers. Specific requirements for condensing boilers with a nominal heat input not exceeding 70 kW
BS EN 751-1:1997 Sealing materials for metallic threaded joints in contact with 1st, 2nd and 3rd family gases and hot water. Anaerobic jointing compounds
BS EN 751-2:1997 Sealing materials for metallic threaded joints in contact with 1st, 2nd and 3rd family gases and hot water. Non-hardening jointing compounds
BS EN 751-3:1997 Sealing materials for metallic threaded joints in contact with 1st, 2nd and 3rd family gases and hot water. Unsintered PTFE tapes
BS EN 778:1998 Domestic gas-fired forced convection air heaters for space heating not exceeding a net heat input of 70 kW, without a fan to assist transportation of combustion air and/or combustion products
BS EN 1266:2002 Independent gas-fired convection heaters incorporating a fan to assist transportation of combustion air and/or flue gases
BS EN 1319:1999 Domestic gas-fired forced convection air heaters for space heating, with fan-assisted burners not exceeding a net heat input of 70 kW
BS EN 1359:1999 Gas meters. Diaphragm gas meters
BS EN 1458-2:1999 Domestic direct gas-fired tumble dryers of types B22D and B23D, of nominal heat input not exceeding 6 kW. Rational use of energy
BS EN 12078:1998 Zero governors for gas burners and gas burning appliances
BS EN 12244-1:1998 Direct gas-fired washing machines, of nominal heat input not exceeding 20 kW. Safety
BS EN 12405:2002 Gas meters. Gas-volume electronic conversion devices
BS EN 13182:2002 Ventilation for buildings. Instrumentation requirements for air velocity measurements in ventilated spaces
BS EN 13278:2003 Open fronted gas-fired independent space heaters
BS EN 13786 Automatic changeover valves for LPG: Supersedes BS 3016
BS EN 14129:2004 Pressure relief valves for LPG tanks
BS EN 50379-2 Combustion gas measurement, performance requirements for instruments used in statutory inspections and assessments
BS EN 50379-3 Combustion gas measurement, performance requirements for instruments used in non-statutory servicing of gas fired heating appliances

DD ENV 14236:2002 Ultrasonic domestic gas meters
DD 221:1997, CR 1472:1997 General guidance for the marking of gas appliances
DD ENV 1954:1997 Internal and external fault behavior of safety related electronic parts of gas appliances

PD CR 1749:2001 European scheme for the classification of gas appliances according to the method of evacuation of the products of combustion (Types)

PAS 33:1999 Specification for the design, installation and commissioning of gas fired central heating systems in domestic premises
PAS 42:2002 Method of test for establishing the efficiency of decorative fuel effect gas fires

98/706084 DC Qualification of domestic hot water function of gas-fired appliances for domestic use (prEN 13203)
98/706158 DC Automatic gas burner control systems for gas burners and gas burning appliances with or without fans
98/713413 DC Specification for installation of gas fires, convector heaters, fire/back boilers and decorative fuel effect gas appliances. Part 3. Decorative fuel effect gas appliances of heat input not exceeding 15 kW (2nd and 3rd family gases) (BS 5871art 3:1991)
00/704782 DC Code of practice for measurement of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide in buildings and from gas-fired appliances by use of electronic portable combustion gas analysers
00/705373 DC prEN 13836. Gas-fired central heating boilers. Type B boilers of nominal heat input exceeding 300 kW but not exceeding 1000 kW
01/707909 DC BS 7624:2001. Specification for installation of domestic direct gas-fired tumble dryers of up to 6 kW heat input (2nd and 3rd family gases)
02/701697 DC Revision of BS 715. Specification for metal flue boxes for gas fired appliances not exceeding 20 kW
02/704841 DC BS 5864. Specification for installation in domestic premises of gas-fired ducted-air heaters of rated input not exceeding 70 kW net
02/705329 DC prEN 14438. Gas-fired insets for heating more than one room
03/318125 DC EN 14829. Independent gas-fired flueless space heaters for nominal heat input not exceeding 6 kW

 

[fitz1]

Gasguru. im well impressed.would have took me a week to do that.one finger thing.

 

[Gasguru]

All credit due to the cut and paste inventor

 

[ollski]

WS, diy does not mean do it for others. i would determine it means for yourself on your property and possesions.

It is split into two. basically for you to understsnd:

1. Those who do gas work for money (they need a Corgi badge).

2. Those who do gas work not for money. (this is loosley termed as DIY)

Also i would determine that any court of law would rule that without sufficient training you are incompetant.gas training is a 100% pass examination for a good reason.

Your opinion doesn't matter a hoot. The law is the law.

The Corgis know all the answers don't they. They can't even comprehend the written word properly. If they could this thread would have only been one page.

Lol, speaking of comprehending the written word if you substitute the word 'reward' for 'money' above you will be slighter closer to a degree of accuracy.

On a personal note, the quicker you diy some gas work and blow your arrogant, misguided and foolish ar#se into space the sooner we can get back to offering diyers useful advice.

 

[Agile]

Water Systems has said to most of us here that:-

"Your opinion doesn't count a hoot".

Perhaps he has not realised that:-

"Water Systems opinions don't count a hoot either".

In fact, as he repeats all the time that any unqualified person can do gas work legally, his opinions become even less credible.

The Gas Regulations require a tightness test to be made after ANY gas work has been done. Presumably WS thinks that every window cleaner has the test equipment and skill to do these tests or even know they have to be done!

He should enjoy his retirement doing gardening and going on Saga holidays instead of upsetting professional gas industry people with his erroneous views.

Tony

 

[Bamber gaspipe]

Thankfully he/they are called Water Systems....I would be having very serious trouser problems if he/ they were called GAS SYSTEMS..Heaven forbid that this clown decides to spread his/her wings..

 

[Water Systems]

The barin of Gas Britain said..............

Water Systems has said to most of us here that:-

"Your opinion doesn't count a hoot".

Perhaps he has not realised that:-

"Water Systems opinions don't count a hoot either".

Tony

At last he something correct. My opinion or anyone elses doesn't matter at hoot. Because the law is the law.

DIY gas work is LEGAL and that is that.

No doubt the Corgi fools will come back with another couple pages of total tripe, trying to say that the law is not the law, and the law is his how they see it so they can keep charges high.

I love it!!!!!! No doubt more insults and abuse will come.