For All Those Who Claim We are Leaving The EU, A Spanner In The Works

[sooey]

I'm also aware that the founding members of the EU took it upon themselves to discuss their response to brexit, greatly ****ing off the other members in the process.
But you wish to imply that any country which had invoked article 50 would still be included in negotiations about the future of the EU after the exit of another country which had invoked it previously.
Riiiight.

 

[Himaginn]

I'm also aware that the founding members of the EU took it upon themselves to discuss their response to brexit, greatly ****ing off the other members in the process.
But you wish to imply that any country which had invoked article 50 would still be included in negotiations about the future of the EU after the exit of another country which had invoked it previously.
Riiiight.

I agree with your rather rambling interpretation, paragraph 4, of Article 50, IIRC.
When a nation state invokes Article 50, they may no longer be in a position to participate in discussion concerning the future of the EU, or more accurately, the EU Council, which is:

Members of the European Council
The members of the European Council are the heads of state or government of the 28 EU member states, the European Council President and the President of the European Commission.

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/european-council/
Now that does not seem to include the EU Commission or the EU Parliament!
So, would those member nations that had invoked Article 50 be involved in exit negotiation of another state?
I don't think Article 50 is that precise, as yet.
In fact, the member of the withdrawing state must obviously be involved in negotiating the exit of that state. Therefore, by extrapolation, other withdrawing states would also be included in discussions.

However, a statement based on false premise is a false statement, as I explained:

UK does not negotiate with the individual countries in the EU. It matters little how many countries there are. The negotiations are with the EU. The statement was based on a false premise. Therefore, it was inherently false.

Moreover, there will be many more countries than 27, with whom negotiations will be necessary. Therefore, not only was his statement inherently false, it was nonsensical.

Can you limit yourself to the discussion without insults?

The fact remains that it was a false statement, based on a false premise, and therefore indefensible.
Now if you wish to place other interpretations on my comments, other than my explicit explanations, and resort to abusive comments, feel free. It demonstrates your lack of ability to discuss rationally, and perhaps, your guilty feeling about your position.

 

[blightymam]

Well worth a watch and speaks more common sense than is on here... this man is excellent!

 

[Mikefromlondon]

So our Country is leaderless, PM resigned, today Nigel Farage also resigned, and Corby is being forced down, looks like we have no suitable replacement from within UK, so we may well need a competent EU migrant to come and run this country for us! and negotiate for us on Brexit, I told you we cannot do without EU!

we Just cannot find suitable candidate for the job, we will need to look towards Europe to fill the vacancy.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

we Just cannot find suitable candidate for the job, we will need to look towards Europe to fill the vacancy.

The world does not begin and end with Europe. Why can't we get an Australian PM?

 

[Mikefromlondon]

You mean an Aborigine PM for Britain? not sure if most of us might rather go for a European PM.

FFS, We are all Europeans!

 

[sooey]

Here's a picture of Earth.
Which bit's Europe?

 

[securespark]

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Look in that map, Europe starts from top centre right and stretches to mid lower in a band about 35 degrees above Equator, see the pinkish/orangey band , and if you want to know where Britain is in that part, look to the right midway from top to bottom, you see a little white dot, thats us. We are in Europe.

 

[sooey]

You've got good eyes.

 

[sooey]

Just making Gerry's point it's a small world.
and Europe is just one small part of it.

 

[jeds]

There's little point looking backwards now, the deal is done and the only way is forward. Trade deals are top of the agenda and finding people to negotiate them. I reckon a good few negotiators will be non Brits and that could be no bad thing. One interesting development is the US proposal to continue US-UK trade on the same terms. This comes at the same time as Junckers telling the State Leaders they won't be getting a say on the Canada trade negotiations. What links these is that if he gets away with it his next move will be to cut them out of the TTIP negotiations as well. It's been going on for years now and he knows the only way to get it agreed is to bypass the democracy. So Europe will probably end up with TTIP while the UK avoids it and could end up with a more favourable streamlined deal - about 10 years quicker.

 

[JohnD]

bypass the democracy

Just to check, are you telling me that the elected MEPs, and the Council of Ministers of the constituent governments, have both been abolished? When do you think that happened?

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Just to check, are you telling me that the elected MEPs, and the Council of Ministers of the constituent governments, have both been abolished? When do you think that happened?

You don't need to abolish them. You just hold your talks in secret, acheive your long term goals through seemingly innocuous tweaks to existing legislation (death by a thousand cuts), repeat votes as many times as necessary to get the right answer, and if that fails, simply ignore the vote. That's Junker's self-professed MO.

 

[blightymam]

When I read the reports that people who voted in the EU ref didn't realise that leave meant actually leave the EU, I thought surely not. Today I met up with someone who I see in passing, an ex-copper who admitted he didn't realise his vote to leave meant just that. I think the UK should be ashamed over how stupid it's people are!