Government 5 : 0 Leaseholders

[transam]

I don't know why you say that.

I did not you said that I said that

 

[transam]

oh

so him supporting the home owners is not a good thing than

fair enough

is what I said

more johnd quote alteration

no surprise

 

[sxturbo]

Tory chumocracy.

According to the guardian there was a large chunk of labour mp' that abstained from voting making them just as guilty of the Tories.


My view is that the owners of the leasehold or if they a new building built or refurbished in the last 10 years then the developers should cough up to rectify the faults.

The buildings that have got the faulty cladding which was misold by kingspan and celotex should be charged back to celotex and kingspan.

I suppose that if the building owners were forced to fix the fire safety from their own pockets the lease cost would just be made higher anyway so the homeowners still are out of pocket for something that was not of their own doing

 

[sxturbo]

The local councils who passed these off should be the ones who should pay.

And the company's that intentionally misold the not fit for purpose cladding.

 

[gasbanni]

It's an horrendous situation for all. Whether it's just plain incompetence on the part of the architects, builders, specifiers whoever ....it was a first ...true ? false ? Who could have forseen it .

Maybe the shareholders of the companies involved and directors and indemnity underwriters should be made to pay the bill or the actual freeholders rather than lease holders........its a very complex situation to be sure.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

My view is that the owners of the leasehold or if they a new building built or refurbished in the last 10 years then the developers should cough up to rectify the faults.

Maybe the UK could adopt the French model:

What is decennial liability insurance ?

The French system was designed to provide the building owner with effective protection against major damage that can occur or come to light in the decade that follows completion of the building (hence the term decennial insurance).
https://www.ffa-assurance.fr/en/pub... insurance,hence the term decennial insurance).
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[Dangee]

Ultimately, it’s the fault of the French company saint gobain. John talks about Boris’s morals, what about the Saint Gobain directors who repeatedly refused to provide requested information & refused to attend the Grenfell inquiry.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Ultimately, it’s the fault of the French company saint gobain. John talks about Boris’s morals, what about the Saint Gobain directors who repeatedly refused to provide requested information & refused to attend the Grenfell inquiry.

You mean like Boris repeatedly refuses to explain who paid the bill?

 

[ericmark]

What is the job of the LABC? If the people who were reasonable for ensuring the safety of the building make an error, the LABC should pick up on it, so there are 4 groups, the manufacturer who should publish information about the product, the whole sale outlets who should forward the info about the product, the installer who should check he has correct product, and the LABC who should check everyone is doing their job.

These groups do not include owners.

 

[Dangee]

The tenants leaseholders are completely innocent in this as are the government & tax payer.
Who speced the products? The manufacturers using avoidance tactics should be 75 percent responsible, the housebuilders & clerk of the works/NHBC 25% responsible.

 

[ellal]

Why don't those who are pleased that billions are coming off the foreign aid budget campaigning for it to be redirected to 'look after our own' in these buildings?

Of course that money will disappear into tory government coffers and then into their chums pockets in the form of more corrupt deals rather than actually benefit the average person!

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

It's the poor tenants and leaseholders who are left to pick up the bill as usual.
The government should introduce a system to protect those who are not responsible for the faults.
There should be a process where someone initially foots the bill, then the arguments about who is responsible can take years to progress afterwards.
Now what system would work like that?

 

[motorbiking]

Somebody has to pay for the work. The tax payer is coughing up 3.5bn, why should poorer people in brick houses or timber frame apartments pay for enhancements to other peoples homes?

The thing that is needed is some innovation in retro fitting fire risk reduction without ripping out the cladding. The politics of this issue, is that nobody is brave enough to try to "retrofix". The government does need to make sure landlords don't profiteer from the work with management fees. A bit of work here wouldn't not hurt.

 

[ellal]

Somebody has to pay for the work. The tax payer is coughing up 3.5bn, why should poorer people in brick houses or timber frame apartments pay for enhancements to other peoples homes?

You could equally say why should taxpayers pay benefits for poorer people could you not?

The problem is that the system is set up to be unfair any way you look at it, because the rich and powerful always benefit at the expense of everyone else

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Somebody has to pay for the work. The tax payer is coughing up 3.5bn, why should poorer people in brick houses or timber frame apartments pay for enhancements to other peoples homes?

The thing that is needed is some innovation in retro fitting fire risk reduction without ripping out the cladding. The politics of this issue, is that nobody is brave enough to try to "retrofix". The government does need to make sure landlords don't profiteer from the work with management fees. A bit of work here wouldn't not hurt.

Then make those responsible pay. But not at the cost of those not responsible having to eke out an existence for many years trying to get justice or to recover from the damage caused.
As I said, the government could introduce a system to ensure that the damage is repaired in a reasonable timeframe, but not at the expense of those not responsible. Then the discussions and arguments can go on for years, but the tenants and leaseholders are not the ones suffering.